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StuartMW
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Yeah well I've used one of those too

110 baud is fast enough for anyone
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Re: What's this?

Since many years ago I've installed IE7Pro for my IE browser, I've used "User Script", that shows password in plain text when I hover mouse over the field. I found it very useful and I miss it now, when I'm using Iron...
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said by dave:

said by Dude111:

I guess but the password field shows ************ for a reason!!

Yeah, a reason that never ever applies to me.

I don't use paper-based computer terminals.
There's no-one looking over my shoulder.
The display is *gone* in the time it takes me to type a few characters and hit ENTER.

Since none of those are problems for me, there's no reason to obscure the password. Making it optional (and requiring explicit action to reveal) is a good solution.

Another good solution is the iOS approach of showing the actual character for a split-second and then blobbing it out; that is not safe if there are overlookers, but it's configurable.

But if it doesn't show ******* it is not sent encrypted. All truly encrypted passwords are sent as ******* over the net. Plus each character as it is typed in is individually encrypted as it's ' * ' counter part. The ' * ' may look alike but in reality are like individual snowflakes.

dave
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I never noticed that, because '********' is my actual password.



Dude111
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Someone try it and see if they get login to daves acct


SCADAGeo

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Re: What's this?

said by StuartMW:

PS: I remember using a DECwriter

said by dave:

Oh, one of those high-speed modern devices? With the fancy lower case?

It was the ASR33 for me.

said by StuartMW:

Yeah well I've used one of those too

110 baud is fast enough for anyone

Terminals? You two are spoiled! Have you ever dropped a stack of punch cards? DECwriter & ed was heaven!


dib22

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said by SCADAGeo:

Terminals? You two are spoiled! Have you ever dropped a stack of punch cards? DECwriter & ed was heaven!

Never used punch cards for data entry, but did use them as analog data storage at several places I worked over the years.

That is we used them as notepaper... man they sure bought too many punch cards back in the day...


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Have you ever dropped a stack of punch cards?

Yes I have. Have you entered programs through front panel switches? How about storing programs/data on cassette tape?
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I confess to having been considered a raw noobie by my colleagues since I never bothered to commit the PDP11 absolute loader to memory; if I needed to flip it in through the console switches, I'd have to read it from my handy reference card.

But most PDP11s I dealt with came with diode ROMs by that time.



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said by dave:

...I never bothered to commit the PDP11 absolute loader to memory...

I wrote my own custom loader (not on a PDP11) to read read programs from cassette tape into memory. I had it hand-written, in hex, on paper and it was entered via switches. I was pretty quick at toggling switches Nowadays not so much
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Yer still just a baby, though (as am I).


StuartMW
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What is that? Looks like fun I hope those folks can read binary


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The woman is Grace Hopper (I am unsure of the Navy rank she held at the time) and the machine is "the" Univac (I suppose they didn't need model numbers at the time).

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper



StuartMW
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COBOL huh? I never wrote anything in COBOL although I did desk debug a program in it once.

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A COBOL developer got seriously sick so they froze his body. When they thawed him out, there was a lot of commotion. Apparently they needed this guy back alive and kicking pronto. It was nearing the year 3000. And they were encountering all kinds of Y3K bugs. It seems the Y2K coders only did a patch job 1000 years in the past.

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One of the very first things I noticed with IE10 on Windows 7 when logging into DSLR. However, before installing IE10 I reset IE9 to factory defaults and dumped all temp files/cookies. I'm amazed you're just noticing this now?


SCADAGeo

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said by dib22:

That is we used them as notepaper... man they sure bought too many punch cards back in the day...

Ahhh, a pen based system.

I was surprised in the early 90's when I heard a card punch that was still in active use.

 
said by StuartMW:

Yes I have. Have you entered programs through front panel switches? How about storing programs/data on cassette tape?

Yes, to both.

 
said by dave:

I confess to having been considered a raw noobie by my colleagues since I never bothered to commit the PDP11 absolute loader to memory;


 
said by dave:

The woman is Grace Hopper

I had the pleasure of attending one of her lectures in the mid-80's.

BTW - My apologies to the OP for going off-topic.


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Loved COBOL. Non-programmer support people could actually read it, so you didn't have to have separate documentation.



StuartMW
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LOL. You do know that real programmers don't write documentation (or eat Quiche) right? Or is that your point?
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You bunch of old farts. Quit shakin your canes at us younguns.



StuartMW
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Yeah? Well there's 10 kinds of people in the world: those that know computers and those that don't
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»www.youtube.com/watch?v=YozC8yFrZKI

SCADAGeo

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said by StuartMW:

real programmers don't write documentation (or eat Quiche) right? Or is that your point?

Documentation? The code's written so well, it documents itself!


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said by SCADAGeo:

said by StuartMW:

real programmers don't write documentation (or eat Quiche) right? Or is that your point?

Documentation? The code's written so well, it documents itself!

Spoken like a true COBOL Programmer.
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