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Re: New speeds coming said by mackey:Actually, if you have the block of static IPs the Motorola NVG510 (ADSL2+) supports pass-through BEAUTIFULLY right out of the box, no hacking needed 
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Yep. I know several people who have used that modem with a block of IPs with success. However, those of us on VDSL are still stuck up a tree with no solution (to my knowledge anyway). |
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said by dragonman300:said by doubleohwhat:You may or may not have this information but I figured I'd ask all the same:
1) Do you know the model of the new gateway?
2) Do you know if it will support proper bridging?
1) Motorola NVG589 » www.motorola.com/us/consumers/NV···,pd.htmlThis link indicted that Motorola NVG589 is coming to At&t Uverse It's clear the NVG589 is built for AT&T; the product photos and user manual have "AT&T" plastered all over them. It looks very much like the NVG510.
The OP claimed the new RG will have "dual band" 5GHz capability; the NVG589 does not have this however. None of the testing or other docs at the FCC site mention anything about operating in the 5 GHz band; they do however say it's 2x2 MIMO in the 2.4GHz B/G/N band.
Basic overview is:
Single and 2-pair bonded VDSL and ADSL2+ WAN
Gigabit Ethernet WAN port for FTTP/ONT installs
HPNA 3.1 coax port
4x Gigabit Ethernet LAN ports
2x FXS VoIP ports
1x USB 2.0
400 mW wireless radio
The posted NVG589 user manual makes no mention of the "Cascaded Router" or 1:1 NAT features the NVG510 is capable of, but I don't think the posted manual for the NVG510 had it listed either. It does seem to have the same "legendary" IP Passthrough options as the NVG510 though 
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If anyone want to know what Motorola NVG589 look like??? Here are some pics 
Credit to mackey.
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Will they be expanding Uverse in Northern Collin County where it is an ATT area? North of McKinney? |
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united state | reply to dragonman300
Is that a USB 3 port I see? This will definitely increase the amount of tech support calls asking why the Wi-Fi is terrible XD. |
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Yes the NVG589, this will be used on all installs where the customer orders fast enough internet service or needs pair bonding to achieve ordered speeds. The gateway seems to be finalized and as someone pointed out that it is not dual band. I guess they omitted that feature out. Like the 3800HGV-B and 3801HGV, this is ready to support line vectoring. As part of the rollout, pair bonding will be done only if there is a second pair available. You may see AT&T workers at pedestals around your neighborhood conditioing the pairs and making sure there are extra pairs available. Sometimes there are pairs dedicated to addresses that never existed.
45/6 is not the only speeds that you will be seeing. 45/6 is our initial speed launch and we will progressively add higher speeds including ones beyond 100mbps. Many if you think this will only be available to people who are close to the VRAD, but these speeds can be achieved at homes at least 1300-1500ft away. Speeds of at least 75mbps will be available to almost 90% of our FTTN customers. |
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I found my spec sheet for the NVG 589. According to this there is 5Ghz and 2.4GHz dual band on this RG. Did they choose to omit this recently and my sheet is outdated? |
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| »Motorola NVG589 - New U-verse Gateway
Whoo I was right . |
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Comcast just doubled my speed,25/5 to 50/10 for free.Wondering if U's speed increase will be free????? |
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| As for why AT&T is no longer using the Pace gateways and moving to Motorola has to do with Pace buying out 2wire. AT&T and other telcos around the world in a partnership helped create 2wire as an independant company. When the company got sold to Pace a while back, AT&T is no longer obliged to buy from Pace. Thus they can now shop around and look for better hardware offered. |
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| So fakarooz any word if for customers with higher bandwidth profiles they will be able to receive higher bitrates for TV channels? |
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new speeds only more than 100× slower than the competition said by fakarooz :45/6 is not the only speeds that you will be seeing. 45/6 is our initial speed launch and we will progressively add higher speeds including ones beyond 100mbps. Many if you think this will only be available to people who are close to the VRAD, but these speeds can be achieved at homes at least 1300-1500ft away. Speeds of at least 75mbps will be available to almost 90% of our FTTN customers.
I call that wishful thinking. This whole upgrade will double the speed at most, then potentially some extra tiny increase from vectoring in the future. So, if AT&T didn't offer any tiers higher than 24/3 with a single pair, and when it's taking them several years to upgrade bonded pair from 18/1.5 to only 45/6, how long will it take before they start rolling out at least 50/50 to those who qualify? Probably not before the pigs fly!
My guess is, by the time AT&T decides that anyone would find any use of 50/50, providers like »Paxio.net in the Bay, »Fiber.USInternet.com in Minneapolis, Minn and »BurlingtonTelecom.net in Vermont will be offering 10000/10000, symmetric 10GigE, to every home, for under $150/month! I'm collecting a whole list of such providers at »bmap.su, and these 3 already offer symmetric GigE for under $150/month! Yeap, you heard that right, symmetric GigE for under 150 bucks!
AT&T offers only 6Mbps upload with their not-yet-public 45/6, the other firms already publicly offer 1000Mbps. AT&T U-verse 45/6 highest tier is 166× slower than these other offers. Paxio's slowest tier is 5/5 at $28.50/month, 15/15 @ $38.50; US Internet's — 15/15 @ $25/month. AT&T's fastest tier is slower than the slowest tiers of these other providers; will it be priced accordingly, in the $30/month range? How will AT&T be able to make any money off of these outdated speeds?
Do you know how long it takes to upload a picture or an album, or perform a backup, with 6Mbps? I still have some back pain. And I bet AT&T's 75Mbps tier, IF they even have one in the first place in any foreseeable future, will still have pathetic upload speeds. |
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Re: New speeds coming Moving away from 2Wire PoS is probably the best news here. |
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Cleburne, TX | reply to ConstantineM
Re: new speeds only more than 100× slower than the competi said by ConstantineM:[Do you know how long it takes to upload a picture or an album, or perform a backup, with 6Mbps? Try 768kbps....*cringes*
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said by ConstantineM:Do you know how long it takes to upload a picture or an album, or perform a backup, with 6Mbps? I still have some back pain. And I bet AT&T's 75Mbps tier, IF they even have one in the first place in any foreseeable future, will still have pathetic upload speeds.
This all goes back to having no strategic long term vision around the last mile delivery method with respect to consumer demand and capacity. They made their bed by choosing to stick with copper, especially with a largely decaying copper infrastructure already in the ground. It is an uphill battle because they "chose poorly". Sure fiber costs a lot to bury and deliver to each new customers home but it future-proofs your business model. I'd be curious the year over year cost comparison between fiber delivery and copper with respect to truck rolls per customer on infrastructure related issues.
As you can see, they can't react fast enough to the explosion in market demand, as everyone predicted years and years ago when they chose this route. The little they do react is relatively more costly, years late to the party, and not even half what consumers are needing and wanting by the time they deliver. The problem is with a market stranglehold, they can choose the "slow and steady wins the race" approach and kind of get away with it.
Now the question is when they pair bond, will they increase the gateway profile such that TV no longer eats into the data capacity? I'm guessing the gateway profiles will move up into the 40+Meg range. Even at 50Meg, the max data profile we might see is 86Meg down and maybe 8Meg up with 2 pairs.
What would really be groundbreaking is if they decided to have a last mile FTTH option from the VRADs. Copper is included and fiber is a premium install. One can dream, can't they?
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said by ConstantineM:I call that wishful thinking. This whole upgrade will double the speed at most, then potentially some extra tiny increase from vectoring in the future. So, if AT&T didn't offer any tiers higher than 24/3 with a single pair, and when it's taking them several years to upgrade bonded pair from 18/1.5 to only 45/6, how long will it take before they start rolling out at least 50/50 to those who qualify? Probably not before the pigs fly!
From last year's press release:
"Speed Upgrades. The Project VIP plan includes an upgrade for U-verse to speeds of up to 75Mbps and for U-verse IPDSLAM to speeds of up to 45Mbps, with a path to deliver even higher speeds in the future.
In the 25 percent of AT&T's wireline customer locations where it's currently not economically feasible to build a competitive IP wireline network, the company said it will utilize its expanding 4G LTE wireless network -- as it becomes available -- to offer voice and high-speed IP Internet services. The company's 4G LTE network will cover 99 percent of all in-region customer locations. AT&T's 4G LTE network offers speeds competitive with, if not higher than, what is available on wired broadband networks today. And in many places, AT&T's 4G LTE service will be the first high speed IP broadband service available to many customers."
»www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=2···id=35661 |
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San Jose, CA | reply to ConstantineM
said by ConstantineM:My guess is, by the time AT&T decides that anyone would find any use of 50/50, providers like »Paxio.net in the Bay... This intrigued me since I am also in San Jose. Checking their website, they clearly do NOT offer FTTH to most residences; only the very few new developments they've managed to get into. So until there's fiber coming to my demarc, Paxio is irrelevant.
Small companies like that are easy to start up, but they simply do not have the infrastructure of miles of cable already laid. This is why AT&T and Comcast continue to rule the roost; they've got the cabling in place. |
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| said by Wily_One:Small companies like that are easy to start up, but they simply do not have the infrastructure of miles of cable already laid. This is why AT&T and Comcast continue to rule the roost; they've got the cabling in place.
Too bad it's the wrong kind of cabling.
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Re: New speeds coming Will customers with Internet-only and say, a 3800 on a single pair with the 32/5, take advantage of any speed upgrades from the 24/3? Will I need pair bonding and/or a different modem? |
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So would it be possible to get the modem even if you aren't subscribing to the new tier? |
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