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Re: New speeds coming So from looking in the manual from the FCC website i found a good picture of the ports on the back of the RG. I can see from the note that you use the splitter but it seems to be only for the VoIP phones that you would connect to the RG for service.
From the picture and reading in the manual there is only one DSL broadband port that you would plug in the RJ11 cable. Before I saw the manual i was expecting two DSL ports for the pair bonding connection.
So does this mean a splitter will go into to the DSL WAN port and you plug the two data RJ11 phone lines into it?
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San Jose, CA | reply to rolande
Re: new speeds only more than 100× slower than the competi said by rolande:Too bad it's the wrong kind of cabling.
Gotta crawl before you can run, but I'm not disagreeing. 
The reality is running fiber to every home would cost millions/billions of dollars, while at the same time consumers want affordable service. The old-guard behemoths like AT&T don't want to eat the cost of that outlay, especially when they know they will be forced to "share" the infrastructure like they had to with telephone wire. |
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said by ConstantineM:AT&T offers only 6Mbps upload with their not-yet-public 45/6,
I don't mean to nitpick but from what I understand this will be a new profile correct?
Which means the new internet speed will probably be close to 35/4 |
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Re: New speeds coming said by nephipower:So does this mean a splitter will go into to the DSL WAN port and you plug the two data RJ11 phone lines into it?
or will there still be a NID outside the home?
No my understanding is -- The pair bonding will be done via the cable strands and into the RJ-DSL WAN Connector.. Basically the cable coming into your house can have multiple pairs and typically for telephone (or DSL) they use a specific pair to a connector what they will do is combine the pairs in that connector to do the pair bonding instead of having an outside iNid doing it. |
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| Oh yeah, i don't know i didn't think of that that totally makes sense.
For RJ45 on a regular cable you only use 2 out of the 4 pairs. So for some VoIP systems they use the extra pairs or some enterprise APs they use what is called power over ethernet so you have to have an outlet whereever the wireless AP is placed.
So for RJ11 there are 3 pairs is it normally that just 1 pair right now is used for data. So with paired bonding for the new RG that it would use 2 out of the 3 pairs? |
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Re: new speeds only more than 100× slower than the competi How nice for you and your list of isp's that don't come within 500+ miles of my house! I have a choice between AT&T and TW. The devil or the deep blue. I choose the devil I know. Until I get a legitimate, reliable alternative, I'll stand pat.
I would dream of at least 5-6 mb upload though. I'm already pair-bonded. Bring it on. |
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Do you think being faster is better than being slow? said by Rangersfan :said by ConstantineM:I call that wishful thinking. This whole upgrade will double the speed at most, then potentially some extra tiny increase from vectoring in the future. So, if AT&T didn't offer any tiers higher than 24/3 with a single pair, and when it's taking them several years to upgrade bonded pair from 18/1.5 to only 45/6, how long will it take before they start rolling out at least 50/50 to those who qualify? Probably not before the pigs fly!
From last year's press release: "Speed Upgrades. The Project VIP plan includes an upgrade for U-verse to speeds of up to 75Mbps and for U-verse IPDSLAM to speeds of up to 45Mbps, with a path to deliver even higher speeds in the future. In the 25 percent of AT&T's wireline customer locations where it's currently not economically feasible to build a competitive IP wireline network, the company said it will utilize its expanding 4G LTE wireless network -- as it becomes available -- to offer voice and high-speed IP Internet services. The company's 4G LTE network will cover 99 percent of all in-region customer locations. AT&T's 4G LTE network offers speeds competitive with, if not higher than, what is available on wired broadband networks today. And in many places, AT&T's 4G LTE service will be the first high speed IP broadband service available to many customers." » www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=2···id=35661 For AT&T wired networks, yes, precisely. Their fastest U-verse upload speed is probably indeed much slower than the upload speeds on LTE. I mean, if the 45Mbps tier has only 6Mbps upload, how much slower can you get? It's so slow they're even ashamed to include the upload speeds into their price list, let alone a press release. |
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Re: New speeds coming said by nephipower:Oh yeah, i don't know i didn't think of that that totally makes sense.
For RJ45 on a regular cable you only use 2 out of the 4 pairs. So for some VoIP systems they use the extra pairs or some enterprise APs they use what is called power over ethernet so you have to have an outlet whereever the wireless AP is placed.
So for RJ11 there are 3 pairs is it normally that just 1 pair right now is used for data. So with paired bonding for the new RG that it would use 2 out of the 3 pairs?
Nvm, what i said, i had accidentally looked at RJ12 picture instead of RJ11 |
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Do you think with the speed upgrade they will bump caps for users on the faster packages? I'd think of switching to AT&T, but I think 250GB seems cramped. While I don't think it would be an issue I have been buying TV seasons on my Apple TV and using up about 160-200GB a month so far and I can see using more in the future. |
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Re: new speeds only more than 100× slower than the competi said by Wily_One:said by ConstantineM:My guess is, by the time AT&T decides that anyone would find any use of 50/50, providers like »Paxio.net in the Bay... This intrigued me since I am also in San Jose. Checking their website, they clearly do NOT offer FTTH to most residences; only the very few new developments they've managed to get into. So until there's fiber coming to my demarc, Paxio is irrelevant. Small companies like that are easy to start up, but they simply do not have the infrastructure of miles of cable already laid. This is why AT&T and Comcast continue to rule the roost; they've got the cabling in place. Wrong way to look at it. Paxio does have the cabling in place; they could probably wire down your whole neighbourhood for 500$/house, which, I must say, is REALLY cheap and is a great deal, and you could be having 1000/1000 for 140$/mo after that.
The problem is not a level-playing field. AT&T has the free copper, and lots of existing customers that generate lots of revenue, so they could easily shell out a 500$/house passed (like Verizon did with FiOS), yet they still won't. But Paxio simply doesn't have that kind of money yet. Let's hope Sonic.net upcoming GigE in SF is successful, and would spread. If you're in the Bay, and MDU, you might also check out »WebPass.net, they offer 100/100 @ 50$, and use a line-of-sight wireless-to-the-building model. |
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| You forget to mention that Paxio doesn't service everyone. it's select HOAs/"communities".
Also don't count on Sonic doing anything major. They're only building in select areas and have teamed up with DSLX. The next thing I see is Ikano buying them out as well. Plus Sonic refuses to take on debt and investors so money is going to be super tight with them building out. |
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San Jose, CA | reply to ConstantineM
said by ConstantineM:Paxio does have the cabling in place;
they could probably wire down your whole neighbourhood... Non-sequitur. They do not have fiber run to my neighborhood, no less my particular house, so the cabling is not in place. The "last mile" is the hard bit and the most expensive to build out, which is why the vast majority of consumers don't have FTTH.
Don't get my wrong, I'd love to have FTTH available here, but talk is cheap. When I see actual fiber runs then I'll get interested. |
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Re: New speeds coming I'll be excited when I see it.
What I want to know/see is a reduction in price of current tiers, they are too pricey as they are. I'd like to move up but the price is too high. As it is on a retiree's account I'm not able to get promotional pricing which is somewhat less but there are other benefits. |
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Re: new speeds only more than 100× slower than the competi I have Fiber to my house for UVerse. But I'm in the greater Austin, TX region, and they still only offer 18Mbps service. I had 24Mbps at my old home in California over copper. Go figure! |
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said by DataRiker:I don't mean to nitpick but from what I understand this will be a new profile correct?
Which means the new internet speed will probably be close to 35/4
I believe the 45/6 may be the Internet speed.
I have two routers in the UV Realtime database that are on 55/6 combined line profiles (27/3 per line). These are iNIDs, so this may have been from a test of the line profiles and firmware prior to a test of new hardware. |
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| Ok I see.
That is curious, I've installed a lot of iNIDS and max attainable was usually way lower than 55. ( some barely making 25 combined )
Flip side being I've installed a lot of single pair with max attainable around 40+ |
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| said by DataRiker:Ok I see.
That is curious, I've installed a lot of iNIDS and max attainable was usually way lower than 55. ( some barely making 25 combined )
Flip side being I've installed a lot of single pair with max attainable around 40+
I am on a single pair and my sync is around 63 MB down max.. I would love a little more speed than AT&T currently offers! |
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San Jose, CA | reply to BillP
said by BillP :I have Fiber to my house for UVerse. But I'm in the greater Austin, TX region, and they still only offer 18Mbps service. I had 24Mbps at my old home in California over copper. Go figure! That is odd. Then again I never said the ideal would be FTTH from AT&T. |
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| Nope. That's just what FTTH customers are stuck with.
As it stands now (not taking future "possible" changes into account), you DO NOT want FTTH from AT&T. You'll be stuck on a lower profile than the VDSL folks. |
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Yup new profile 55meg. Don't know where you got the up speed from but it's 10mbps up. 55/10meg profile with 45/6mbps customer offering.
New profile will need around 69mbps max sync to support the 55meg profile though.
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