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Toronto 4th Largest City In North America

Only Mexico City, NYC and Los Angeles have more people than Toronto. T.O. is bigger than Boston,Chicago,Miami and San Francisco.

Question: Is the population of Mississauga (750,000 people) counted into the Greater Toronto Area census? They are a suburb of Toronto. Or how about York Region, another suburb of Toronto that has over 1,000,000 people?

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It's the forth largest city proper. The metro area is still smaller than Chicago, and claiming that it is the fifth largest metro area will set off a debate with Americans who think that there are ones larger in the US.

And yes, Mississauga is in the GTA. It is the largest "suburb" in the entire world, and now has a skyline almost as prominent as Toronto (but not as tall) when viewed from the other side of Lake Ontario. York Region is GTA, too.

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I love chicago as a visitos and my school friends live in that city.
As a person living in Toronto I am happy we dont have 500 murders per year or have as many corrupt officials as Chicago. So don't care if we are bigger or smaller than some other city.

Neil Steinberg: Whoa, Canada — Toronto quietly crows over Chicago

»www.suntimes.com/news/st ··· nto.html

So if you look at, oh, the Canadian Business magazine website Wednesday, it will reluctantly point out, that yes, Toronto is now North America’s fourth largest city, nudging ahead of Chicago, its 2,791,140 residents to our 2,707,120. Yet it also cautions, in the very first paragraph: “But hold off on the confetti for one moment. Because while that’s true, it’s only half the story.”

You see, it points out, had Toronto not “amalgamated” — Canadian for sucked up nearby communities — in 1998, “it wouldn’t be nearly as big as Chicago.”

That’s like saying O’Hare Airport wouldn’t be in Chicago if Dad Daley hadn’t twisted a few suburban arms to grab it in the mid-1950s. To which the Chicago answer is a shrug and a mutter of, “So what? We got it now.”

The magazine calmly points out that the Greater Toronto Area is about 6 million people, while Chicago has almost 9.5 million, and that many claim “Toronto still has a long way to go to catch up with Chicago.”


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I was laughing at the silliness of our suburb Mississauga trying to get the federal government to place a huge sign in Pearson International Airport that reads; "Welcome to Mississauga,Ontario" because part of the airport is in Mississauga land.... these little gremlins think they are independent and not part of the GTA?

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said by Xstar_Lumini:

these little gremlins think they are independent and not part of the GTA?

Mississauga is a city like any other. In fact it's the 6th largest city in Canada. "GTA" is just a provincial planning area and has no legal status.

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The megalopolis is the next step up. The US N.E corridor(virtually 1 contiguous populated land area) from Boston to Wash, DC comprises approx 45 million people.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No ··· pulation





And Tokyo area has approx 36 million living in one of the most dense population centers in the world... a population density of 2,642 person/km² - which is more than twice the population density of Bangladesh.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr ··· kyo_Area

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If you're a Sci-Fi guy - this is "The Sprawl" from William Gibson's Neuromancer trilogy...

20 years ago, he envisioned Boston-NYC-Washington, DC as one large metro area. He may have been onto something...
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The idea of comparing the size of city populations is fraught with difficulties because different provinces, states and countries do not have a fixed definition as to what constitutes a city. In Canada, the closest comparative measure for Canadian cities is the CMA (census metropolitan area). Getting an accurate census of population is next to impossible if the city has a major slum population, like Mexico City, Cairo, etc. In 2000 Ottawa had a population of about 395K, but on Jan 1 2001 it had a population of nearly a million because Ottawa amalgamated with a dozen or so suburban towns and villiages. My point is there is no fixed definition.

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said by Xstar_Lumini:

I was laughing at the silliness of our suburb Mississauga trying to get the federal government to place a huge sign in Pearson International Airport that reads; "Welcome to Mississauga,Ontario" because part of the airport is in Mississauga land.... these little gremlins think they are independent and not part of the GTA?

Most of Pearson is in Mississauga.

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said by Wolfie00:

"GTA" is just a provincial planning area and has no legal status.

The Toronto Census Metropolitan Area - which includes Mississauga - does have a level of legal status, though.

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Only Mexico City, NYC and Los Angeles have more people than Toronto. T.O. is bigger than Boston,Chicago,Miami and San Francisco.

Question: Is the population of Mississauga (750,000 people) counted into the Greater Toronto Area census? They are a suburb of Toronto. Or how about York Region, another suburb of Toronto that has over 1,000,000 people?

Mississauga doesn't have 750,000 residents.

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said by FFH5:

The megalopolis is the next step up. The US N.E corridor(virtually 1 contiguous populated land area) from Boston to Wash, DC comprises approx 45 million people.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No ··· pulation

We already the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor which includes Toronto. It just has less people - 18 million instead of the 45 in BosWash.

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Only Mexico City, NYC and Los Angeles have more people than Toronto. T.O. is bigger than Boston,Chicago,Miami and San Francisco.

Question: Is the population of Mississauga (750,000 people) counted into the Greater Toronto Area census? They are a suburb of Toronto. Or how about York Region, another suburb of Toronto that has over 1,000,000 people?

Mississauga doesn't have 750,000 residents.

713,443 in 2011 according to statscan.

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said by Gone:

said by FFH5:

The megalopolis is the next step up. The US N.E corridor(virtually 1 contiguous populated land area) from Boston to Wash, DC comprises approx 45 million people.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No ··· pulation

We already the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor which includes Toronto. It just has less people - 18 million instead of the 45 in BosWash.

Mot to be too nitpicky, but BosWash really is one contiguous populated URBAN area, especially between Washington and NYC. QC-Windsor has a lot of farmland in it.

Plus, this is also nitpicky, but that map projection above is just so wrong.

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said by shaner:

BosWash really is one contiguous populated URBAN area, especially between Washington and NYC.

No it not. There's still a lot of farmland and rural areas between Washington and NYC, despite the density and number of cities in the corridor. Hell, there's still a whole lot of woodland between even Washington and Baltimore. If you don't believe me, follow along I-95 using Google satellite view. It's similar to following the 401 from London to Kingston.

I would never claim Quebec City-Windsor is a direct equivalent as we're nowhere near as dense up here, but it is a perfectly valid analog.

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said by Xstar_Lumini:

I was laughing at the silliness of our suburb Mississauga trying to get the federal government to place a huge sign in Pearson International Airport that reads; "Welcome to Mississauga,Ontario" because part of the airport is in Mississauga land.... these little gremlins think they are independent and not part of the GTA?

Pearson used to be called Malton airport because the vast majority of it (about 98%) is in Malton which is now a part of Mississauga.

When it comes to Mississauga being a suburb, think of it this way. If the city was located anywhere else it would have its own daily newspapers, television stations, radio stations, etc..

Instead of having any of those, the city gets treated like second class by Metroland (owned by Torstar) and gets the Mississauga News, which prints 3x a week and is little more than a paper dedicated to delivering advertising flyers.

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said by TLS2000:

When it comes to Mississauga being a suburb, think of it this way. If the city was located anywhere else it would have its own daily newspapers, television stations, radio stations, etc..

That same gripe applies to just about every city in the GTA, and some near Toronto but not in the GTA.

It doesn't matter though because regardless of how people in Mississauga (or even the GTA) feel, to the rest of Canada and the world Mississauga is just a part of Toronto.

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said by Gone:

said by TLS2000:

When it comes to Mississauga being a suburb, think of it this way. If the city was located anywhere else it would have its own daily newspapers, television stations, radio stations, etc..

That same gripe applies to just about every city in the GTA, and some near Toronto but not in the GTA.

It doesn't matter though because regardless of how people in Mississauga (or even the GTA) feel, to the rest of Canada and the world Mississauga is just a part of Toronto.

Except Regis & Kelly.
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Most of Pearson is in Mississauga.

All of PIA is in Mississauga. It was the old Malton airport. Peel Region Police patrol it and the Mississauga fire department responds to fire/rescue calls.

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I thought Pearson had their own fire department?

Also, saying "most of" is actually correct, as there is a piece of aiport land (which includes a taxiway) that passes into the Toronto corporate limit. The terminal and everything important is in Mississauga, though. You can see it here: »goo.gl/maps/3JNUz

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Most of Pearson is in Mississauga.

All of PIA is in Mississauga. It was the old Malton airport. Peel Region Police patrol it and the Mississauga fire department responds to fire/rescue calls.

A small sliver east of where Terminal 2 was, in the Hwy 427/Carlingview/Renforth area, is in Toronto.

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Is the city-proper population really all that relevant? The greater metropolitan area population is probably a more accurate measure of population center size. And in that regard, Toronto is 8th.

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And in that regard, Toronto is 8th.

Bzzzt. It's fifth.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li ··· _America

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li ··· pulation

Americans and Canadians have drastically different methods for what determines a metropolitan area. These two articles attempt to put them on equal footing based on an approximation of the two criteria each country uses (though when it comes to Toronto, the Toronto CMA is outright odd, not including Oshawa or Whitby)

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I thought Pearson had their own fire department?

Correct; they do...

GTAA operates their own fire dept; as well as the FESTI training program, which is one of the best in the world for HazMat and aircraft fire fighting.
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Re: Toronto 4th Largest City In North America

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Only Mexico City, NYC and Los Angeles have more people than Toronto. T.O. is bigger than Boston,Chicago,Miami and San Francisco.

Question: Is the population of Mississauga (750,000 people) counted into the Greater Toronto Area census? They are a suburb of Toronto. Or how about York Region, another suburb of Toronto that has over 1,000,000 people?

I believe Houston is the next biggest US city after Chicago... Houston I believe is bigger than Boston, Miami or San Fran...

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said by Xstar_Lumini:

Only Mexico City, NYC and Los Angeles have more people than Toronto. T.O. is bigger than Boston,Chicago,Miami and San Francisco.

Question: Is the population of Mississauga (750,000 people) counted into the Greater Toronto Area census? They are a suburb of Toronto. Or how about York Region, another suburb of Toronto that has over 1,000,000 people?

I believe Houston is the next biggest US city after Chicago... Houston I believe is bigger than Boston(21), Miami(44)or San Fran(14)...

Latest pop figures from 2011: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li ··· pulation
NYC, LA, CHICAGO, HOUSTON, PHILA, PHOENIX, SAN ANTONIO, SAN DIEGO, DALLAS, SAN JOSE.

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»www.huffingtonpost.ca/20 ··· 578.html
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Toronto has edged ahead of Chicago to become North America's fourth most populous city.

Already the largest city in Canada, Toronto's new population estimate is 2.79 million — beating Chicago's 2.7 million people. The numbers are based on the cities proper and do not include the surrounding metropolitan areas.

...snip...