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aurgathor

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[poll] What will happen with Win8?

Based on the usage numbers (i.e.: »www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-w···0012104/ ) Win8 is a colossal failure so far.

What will, if anything, MS do to remedy this?

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1 - MS will do a significant and permanent price cut and eventually roll out an optional UI fix

2 - MS will do a significant and permanent price cut but no UI fix

3 - MS will release an SP1 containing an option for a more traditional UI

4 - MS will release a UI fix that is not part of SP1

5 - MS will release an SP1 but without significant UI changes

6 - MS will quietly abandon Win8 in favor of "Windows Blue" and there will be no SP1

7 - MS will quietly abandon Win8 in favor of "Windows Blue" but there will still be an SP1


Votes:255



The above choices should be pretty self explanatory. If you think I missed a likely option, post or IM, and I can append it to the end.

I'd define significant price cut at least 33% or more because 50% would look like a fire sale. Unless noted, assume that the MSRP of Win8 won't change much, if anything at all. Short term promotions and pricing errors don't count. Try to keep posts on topic.

Edit: added numbers for the poll options
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one more choice

O MS will do exactly what they did with the colossal failure named Vista
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Its even worse when you realize they were almost giving it away for several months.

The first thing Microsoft needs to do is oust Steve Ballmer. This company has been completely adrift since Bill Gates left.



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said by BillRoland:

Its even worse when you realize they were almost giving it away for several months.

The first thing Microsoft needs to do is oust Steve Ballmer. This company has been completely adrift since Bill Gates left.

I'm not sure Gates doesn't deserve some of the blame too. I'm not sure Microsoft ever had the ability to innovate, but whatever ability it had disappeared long before Gates left the company.

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reply to aurgathor
You need to add another option along the lines of:

Microsoft Won't Do Anything



aurgathor

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I think the last 2 options more or less cover "won't do anything" w.r.t. Win8.

As for "oust Ballmer" -- while that's a viable (an possible!) option, that's only tangentially related to this poll.

MS released two SPs for Vista while quietly abandoning it, so as far as I concern, that's also covered.

Lastly, innovation is a bit tricky. They had some innovations that were way ahead of their time, but true enough, most of what they do now is not something they came up. In any case, innovation is not a measure of business success -- revenue, income, ROI, etc., are much better suited for that.
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My expectation is that they'll continue their path of arrogance and not do what people want but will instead do what some high paid developer tells them is best, then Microsoft will insist we do it their way because it's better.

Or in other words they'll continue to screw over their loyal fan base, the people that used Windows because they actually liked Windows.

At least Apple is loyal...



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said by Gem:

Microsoft Won't Do Anything

If they do anything sensible with the UI they'd be admitting that a multi-billion dollar company was outperformed by the single programmer who wrote Classic Shell.


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My vote was 7. There are reasons for SP's that have nothing to do with how successful the OS is. A SP is a sales pitch, something to put on the side of a package to help them sell a few more units. And since all they really have to do is gather up a bunch of previous updates and then stock pile a month of new updates, its a cost effective way to drive sales. I don't think they are going to ditch Metro either just because they have put so much money into getting that into the public eye that unless they pull a "New Coke" it would be hard to change without eating some humble pie....which Microsoft does not do. They prefer Apple Pie.

With that said, what I "hope" they do is just completely separate Windows 8 from Metro. Metro is a....usable UI under the correct circumstances, on it's own, and if released to developers for free for portable devices, I think it could pull a decent amount of market share from Android and iOS. JMHO



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I think all of this has been outlined in tech articles. Presumably,....

Windows Blue will be released in mid to quasi mid 2013.

Windows Blue will be low cost or free.

Windows Blue will maintain the Windows 8 nomenclature (like OS X)

Windows Blue will include a "UI change" (something many have been requesting but what form this change will take is unknown)

Windows Blue will have a unifying SDK with Windows Phone 8

Windows Blue will start the annual OS release cycle (again, like OS X)

I think all of the above is likely true simply because it makes sense,....IMO,....but then Microsoft doesn't always make sense,....soooo,.....



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MS isn't going to give up on the APP Store. Win 8 UI maybe isn't it at this time but I am sure MS will modify it.

I would only guess that MS introduced Win 8 at a low price to get more tablets, gadgets, and desktop pc's to market and make up any loss from the app store and Xbox Live.

It will be interesting to see where this platform will go. Certainly, there seems to be a move to say "adios desktop and hello cloud".
I am not a cloud fan at all but it will be interesting.

So I voted 3.
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They won't do anything - most PC's sold come with Win 8 so they will get market penetration no matter what.
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said by aurgathor:

As for "oust Ballmer" -- while that's a viable (an possible!) option, that's only tangentially related to this poll.

I would argue its the key issue behind every answer on the poll. Given that Ballmer tried to blame it all on Sinofsky, I suspect that means that if Ballmer remains, Microsoft will quietly abandon it and move on.

said by aurgathor:

In any case, innovation is not a measure of business success -- revenue, income, ROI, etc., are much better suited for that.

Absolutely agree.
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said by Octavean:

Windows Blue will be low cost or free.

It could very well be a low cost OS with yearly subscription -- but free?!?
You gotta be kidding!!
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aurgathor

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said by Optimus2357:

A SP is a sales pitch, something to put on the side of a package to help them sell a few more units. And since all they really have to do is gather up a bunch of previous updates and then stock pile a month of new updates, its a cost effective way to drive sales.

Sometimes SPs do include new features not found in individual updates, so they could be more than just a bunch of updates rolled together.

However, given the shrinking number of SPs (NT 4=6, W2k=4, XP=3, Vista=2, Win7=1) and the possible arrival of Windows Blue in a few months, Win8 may very well end up with no SP. If MS do release a UI fix, it will be part of SP1. But I think there's a slightly less than 50% chance for an SP, and even if they release an SP, it may or may not have a UI fix.

I don't think they are going to ditch Metro either just because they have put so much money into getting that into the public eye that unless they pull a "New Coke" it would be hard to change without eating some humble pie....which Microsoft does not do. They prefer Apple Pie.



With that said, what I "hope" they do is just completely separate Windows 8 from Metro. Metro is a....usable UI under the correct circumstances, on it's own, and if released to developers for free for portable devices, I think it could pull a decent amount of market share from Android and iOS. JMHO

I agree with that. Personally, I'd prefer the OS to be totally separated from the UI, so I could use it, for example, with a W2K like UI. (I knew and used Unix before Windows -- there, I could choose from something like half a dozen shells)
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You left out what I think they are going to do:

Issue Windows Blue late this summer as a free upgrade for Win 8 users.

Windows Blue probably won't have a UI "fix" as Microsoft sees no need for that and has their sights on things they consider more important. Besides, there is nothing terribly wrong with Win 8 if you install Start8. It isn't XP Pro but it is better than the ugly Win 7 that was so fat and bloated looking. Win 8 looks fast and sleek. I'd use Vista over Win 7 any day because Vista UI could be made to look exactly like XP/2000. Microsoft can't fix the font problem in Win 8 (so they say). Even if they brought back the Advanced Display Item list (fully...not all of it is gone in Win 8) it would not fix Win 8 to be GUI wise like XP. You'd still be stuck with the hard to read Segoe font for Windows that you can't change.

What I want to know is what Microsoft is doing with the OEMs regarding licensing. That is a much bigger potential problem what with forcing OEMs to burn an individual key on the motherboard in lieu of COA stickers, trying to stop OEMs from giving out Reinstallation media, etc. I think from Windows Blue on licensing wlll become full on yearly rental. Blue is the beginning and Win 8 was the lead up.
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said by Mele20:

Besides, there is nothing terribly wrong with Win 8 if you install Start8

Well, that is terribly wrong, since most users don't know about Start8 or Classicshell.

Every time I encounter someone with a new laptop and Windows 8, I casually ask how they'd like to have the start button from Windows XP enabled...? "OH! You can do that?!" followed by, after I've installed it, "Ohhh woww, thank you so much!!"

I haven't had anyone not excited about the prospect and not provide me with immense gratitude for having done it.


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said by Mele20:

You left out what I think they are going to do:

Issue Windows Blue late this summer as a free upgrade for Win 8 users.

That is sort of covered by 6 and 7, except for the free part.

However, I don't think they'll have an unrestricted free upgrade -- perhaps free for those who bought it after, say, April 1st ( ) for full price, but most certainly not for those who paid $40 or less for Win8.

Windows Blue probably won't have a UI "fix" as Microsoft sees no need for that and has their sights on things they consider more important. Besides, there is nothing terribly wrong with Win 8 if you install Start8.

I don't have the link any more, but a wanted ad was posted here a while ago wherein MS was looking for a SDE to work on the Windows Blue UI -- so I'm fairly certain that at least on the desktop, a more traditional looking UI will be available.

Just because some people can and do install something to fix it, many others just won't buy the OS at all, and MS is not *that* stupid.
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The UI (aka Start Menu) doesn't need to be "fixed" by MS because there are 3rd party fixes for it. As for the tiles part of the UI, it's integrated with Windows phone, and XBox to a lesser extent, and is the major differentiator between MS and Apple/Android on the mobile side, so it's not going away either.

MS is moving away from being a desktop-centric business because that part of the market is not where the sales and profit margins will be going forward. Their OS has to move the same way.

Windows 8 is transitional release on the way to Blue or whatever its successor is named. Yearly rollouts obviate the need for an SP1 release, so I voted for 6.

BTW "abandoning" Windows 8 is somewhat misleading in that it implies that future versions will revert to being desktop centric, i.e. Start Menu back and no tiles. That ain't happening.
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said by aurgathor:

However, I don't think they'll have an unrestricted free upgrade -- perhaps free for those who bought it after, say, April 1st ( ) for full price, but most certainly not for those who paid $40 or less for Win8.

Just because some people can and do install something to fix it, many others just won't buy the OS at all, and MS is not *that* stupid.

I was thinking more of those of us who purchased a NEW computer with Windows 8 because we had no other choice. (I purchased the Pro version so I have the right to downgrade to Win 7 Pro and I badgered Dell, and threatened to return the new computer, until Dell sent me USB stick media for Windows 7 Pro and reinstallation of Win 8 Pro). I think Microsoft will make Windows Blue free to purchasers of new machines that came with Win 8. (Of course, I have no idea how this will affect those of us with OEM Win 8 on new machines who chose to install Media Center free of charge and ended up with a "new" OS).

I think the name "Windows Blue" is terrible. It screams DEPRESSION, LOW, BAD MOOD. It signals that Microsoft is more out of touch with its users than anyone would have thought.
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