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digitalfutur
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reply to aurgathor

Re: [poll] What will happen with Win8?

Some info on Windows Blue.

quote:
The ability to more easily mess with Windows 8's settings without having to jump through all sorts of hoops and menu options seems to be a common theme within Windows Blue. For Microsoft's also apparently adding in a few extra settings within the Start Screen-based "PC settings" section – presumabyl to keep users, especially those on tablets, from having to jump into a Desktop Mode-driven settings panel.

...Users will now be able to divide their screens in half and run two apps at a time that take up equal portions of one's display real estate.
»www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2416987,00.asp
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JohnInSJ
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reply to aurgathor

based on the leaks... no start menu return.
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aurgathor

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That is certainly a possibility, though looking at the results at »[poll] Which windows 8 start menu replacement do you use? , it's probably not the one that would make the majority of users happy.

However, it would most certainly be a boon for the add-on makers' business.
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Link Logger
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reply to urbanriot

said by urbanriot:

Oh, now we're talking about me rather than the majority. That's easier.

- Multiple displays
- Large dispays, 30" & two 27"
- RAID array in my workstation
- multiple processors with multiple cores
- lower latency mice
- surround sound
- SSD's
... I don't think I should go on because this seems silly.

A touch screen display would do sweet-FA for me as I'm not going to lean across my desk swiping a 30" display. That's ridiculous.

For personal computers, people want bigger, faster, stronger. Touch? Uh, sure... why not, throw that in as a bonus.

Bigger and Faster, none of those changed how you interfaced with your computer. We have spent the last xeon of time sitting in a chair with a keyboard and mouse, but people have always wanted something more, computing to go if you may which requires a different interface, hence Windows 8. We might actually get to the holy grail of computing, speech interface within 10 years, but when you look at the brain activity scanning devices I have in my office, maybe in 50 years and you and your computer will be using a thought interface, you think porn is popular now, just wait.

Like I say Windows 7 might be pinnacle of sitting down, keyboard and mouse computing and that isn't so bad as Windows 7 is a hell of an OS, so perhaps the solution to the problems everyone is having is to offer Windows 7 on desktops and make Windows 8 the OS for all those other devices, but that does leave the question of how do I develop apps for Windows 8 as development requires a desktop system.

Blake
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BlitzenZeus
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Their integration of two gui was just horrible, I mean seriously only being able to make new user accounts from the metro control panel, then having to go to the desktop control panel to make new users an admin? They really had their head good, and lodged up their butt.
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Link Logger
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reply to signmeuptoo

said by signmeuptoo:

"so what's MS gonna do now to remain relevant?"

Interesting, a company that people claim uses its monopoly over computing unfairly being called irrelevant.

said by signmeuptoo:

start fresh with a real new OS, learning from Unix

'Fresh' and 'new' aren't two words I think of when considering Unix, given its 43 years old.

said by signmeuptoo:

and FIRST and formost, remember the professionals, the software makers, the producers, and make what THEY think is revolutionary or whatever you call it.

This difficult as 'developers' make up such a small fraction of a percentage of computer users and their needs are so unique its actually counter to what the every day user needs or wants. I think Developers have become their own worst enemies because of the insane processes, methodologies, tool etc they have created for no other reason then creation sake. There isn't any proof that any of these things has actually improved the development process or user experience, in many ways I think developers have lost focus and are now floundering.

said by signmeuptoo:

We should have an OS on a chip.

Apple does and it didn't make anything better.

Blake
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Link Logger
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reply to BlitzenZeus

said by BlitzenZeus:

Their integration of two gui was just horrible, I mean seriously only being able to make new user accounts from the metro control panel, then having to go to the desktop control panel to make new users an admin? They really had their head good, and lodged up their butt.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt at the moment given its rev 1 and this bridging of two different methods is pretty dam tough, so I'm very interested in rev 2 as that will indicate the direction and speed of progress.

That said I'm still running Windows 8 everywhere, but I have to test the software I develop against everything from Windows XP on up, love virtual machines and old hardware for that testing.

Blake
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plencnerb
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reply to BlitzenZeus

said by BlitzenZeus:

Their integration of two gui was just horrible, I mean seriously only being able to make new user accounts from the metro control panel, then having to go to the desktop control panel to make new users an admin? They really had their head good, and lodged up their butt.

I don't see what you are getting at here. If you open the standard control panel, and then go to "System and Security", then "Administrative tools", and then finally "Computer Management", you get the same screen that was present in Windows 7. From there, you can add new users, new groups, etc, and even place your new user in the local administrative group.

I just did that the other day when I was testing something. There was a thread about Windows 8 and the task manager showing a UAC prompt. So, to test it on my system, I created a new test user. I did not need to add them to the local admin group, but if I wanted to, the functionally is still there.

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Kerodo

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reply to Link Logger

said by Link Logger:

said by BlitzenZeus:

Their integration of two gui was just horrible, I mean seriously only being able to make new user accounts from the metro control panel, then having to go to the desktop control panel to make new users an admin? They really had their head good, and lodged up their butt.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt at the moment given its rev 1 and this bridging of two different methods is pretty dam tough,

That's where they went wrong to begin with, attempting to do that at all...

BlitzenZeus
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reply to plencnerb

You must be dense, the users snapin has never been included in the home versions.



plencnerb
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Well, I've only run the non-home versions of Windows 7 and 8 (Enterprise for 7, and Pro for 8). So, I just assumed it was there in the other versions too.

Looks like I'm wrong. Thanks for pointing that out.

--Brian



dib22

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Kansas City, MO

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reply to digitalfutur

said by digitalfutur:

...Users will now be able to divide their screens in half and run two apps at a time that take up equal portions of one's display real estate.

Wow how revolutionary... perhaps one day we can have multiple "windows" open at once

BlitzenZeus
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Maybe, just maybe they will allow us to even have a metro app open per monitor now... Wouldn't that be wild?

For those who don't know you cannot have metro active on more than one monitor at a time.


Mele20
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Maybe just maybe Microsoft will now allow me to use the ONE Metro app that I have any interest in using without first punishing me and forcing me to remove the Registry block I had to put on UAC. Windows 8 is worse than Vista or Win 7 in that it does not understand what an Admin account is and still forces UAC but without prompts so the upshot is that your program doesn't work right but you don't know why.
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urbanriot
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said by Link Logger:

but people have always wanted something more, computing to go if you may which requires a different interface, hence Windows 8.

You refer to 'people' when you should be using 'I'. You're applying your needs and desires onto everyone else and you're factually wrong as evidenced by sales.

A minority of people get all whizbang silly when it comes to touch PC's, the rest of the population doesn't seem to keen on bringing up a screen keyboard to type up their emails on their PC...


Octavean
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reply to BlitzenZeus

said by BlitzenZeus:

For those who don't know you cannot have metro active on more than one monitor at a time.

That's not exactly accurate,.....

I have one system that has a triple monitor configuration. Using an nVidia GTX670 and the nVidia control panel these monitors are viewed by the OS as a single monitor 5760x1080. So a single metro app will run on all three monitors at the same time and with Snap two metro apps can be run between the three,.....if one wants to bother running metro apps that is,....

BlitzenZeus
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I'm sorry, but that's just a retarded configuration, one metro app across three monitors is even more of a waste of space.


Mele20
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Why is having the OS see two or three monitors as one monitor 'retarded"? The capability is on my nVidia 660 card also. I am looking to it when I buy a second monitor sometime this year.
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BlitzenZeus
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Apparently you need to read before you reply. You've stated you hate the fullscreen apps, yet completely miss how I was referring to one metro app taking up more than one monitor.



Octavean
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reply to BlitzenZeus

said by BlitzenZeus:

I'm sorry, but that's just a retarded configuration, one metro app across three monitors is even more of a waste of space.

Don't be sorry,...

Your previous statement was still in error,.....regardless of your opinion of any specific configuration,....which can be easily toggled on or off,.....

Mele20
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reply to BlitzenZeus

No, if I decide to reinstate UAC and use some Metro Apps I would have to also have ModernMix (its existence is the only reason I would consider using Metro apps). Thus, full screen apps are no longer full screen whether on one or two monitors.
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BlitzenZeus
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Which again had nothing to do with the comment, and modernmix is a 3rd party fix which shouldn't have been necessary. Modernmix is also not free.



Link Logger
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reply to urbanriot

said by urbanriot:

You refer to 'people' when you should be using 'I'. You're applying your needs and desires onto everyone else and you're factually wrong as evidenced by sales.

Hardly just me, as evidenced by the sales of tablets like the Surface and iPads and smart phones that people are using to do desktop like tasks. Desktop sales are dropping and many predict that tablet/laptop sales will surpass desktop sales this year, for example:

»www.digitimes.com/news/a20120307···&q=APPLE

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Link Logger
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reply to Kerodo

said by Kerodo:

That's where they went wrong to begin with, attempting to do that at all...

Are you saying this shouldn't have done this at all, or perhaps a different way?

Blake
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Alcohol
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reply to urbanriot

said by urbanriot:

said by Alcohol:

The concept of hybrid laptops is pretty amazing. Too bad no OEM has managed to do it properly.

I'm guessing you haven't used a Lenovo Yoga yet...?

I was interested it in until i read it had trackpad issues.
»www.theverge.com/2012/11/9/36154···3-review
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Woody79_00
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reply to Octavean

Octavean:

Im not sure you understand where I am coming from. When talking about Apple Computers and Laptops, they are running x86 hardware for the most part the same as a Desktop PC.

However the Apple Store based systems :ie the IPhone, Ipad, etc are running IOS in most cases ARM based systems.

Now Microsoft has stated ARM is the future for the Desktop. AMD is investing heavily in beginning to produce ARM chips that can be used more mainstream in desktop systems.

Windows RT is the future vision of Microsoft for the mainstream users...Windows RT, the ARM version of Windows, is a "walled garden" environment. Microsoft has no plans of changing that.

I fully believe Windows 8, and perhaps Windows 9 will be "transition OS" as Microsoft exhorts pressure on the OEM's to begin pushing ARM hardware for Windows.

Once Dell, HP, Acer, and the other OEM's are pushing ARM based desktops and laptops...the walled garden will begin. Microsoft has no intentions of opening up the ARM platform. The ARM platform, such as Windows RT will not run x86 based applications. The only way to install new programs on a RT based system is either by jailbreaking it, or through the Windows store.

In essence they are pushing for a walled garden environment.

Will Microsoft still sell a "pro version" of Windows that runs on x86 hardware? perhaps, but it won't be the mainstream offering. Prices for it will be much higher then the ARM counterpart they wish to push, and put front and center.

For the home user, only those that buy their own x86 hardware IE: System builders who build their own PC will be able to afford to have an x86 based machine.

ARM desktops could sell for as little as $250 bucks....a comparible x86 based machine would cost twice as much....whats the consumer going to buy? I know it, and MS knows it...they will buy the ARM one that is a walled garden and a cash cow for Microsoft.

Those who think a walled garden is not in the future for Windows on the desktop is not paying attention. Microsoft has already locked down the ARM RT version of Windows...it won't run any apps outside the Windows Store under most circumstances.

Microsoft gets 30% cut of all sales made through the store...this is why Microsoft is pushing Metro...they want to get the "masses" (I say tongue in cheek) assimilated to the UI that will lead to the future walled garden known as Windows.

In the future, if you don't want to be restricted to a walled garden....you will have to pay handsomely to do so....

the OEM's may not even sell x86 based systems to home users at all...as being restricted to the walledgarden known as the Windows Store will greatly reduce technical support costs and increase the OEM's bottom line.

These are all issues to think long and hard about....in the future Windows that isn't stuck to a walledgarden will be available...but you will pay a premium price on it, and outside of buying Businesses editions from the OEM(that most home/consumer buyers doesn't even know exists) building a PC by buying your own hardware will be the only real cost effective option of doing so.


Kerodo

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reply to Link Logger

said by Link Logger:

said by Kerodo:

That's where they went wrong to begin with, attempting to do that at all...

Are you saying this shouldn't have done this at all, or perhaps a different way?

Blake

A separate OS for tablets would have been wiser, leaving the traditional desktop/laptop OS as is. Touch will never go over on the traditional machines.

If not that, then query the hardware during install, and configure with Metro for touch machines, and no Metro for non-touch machines.

Something more intelligent than the mess they created with 8.


urbanriot
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said by Kerodo:

A separate OS for tablets would have been wiser, leaving the traditional desktop/laptop OS as is.

Apple was wise enough to know that. Google too.


aurgathor

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reply to Woody79_00

said by Woody79_00:

Now Microsoft has stated ARM is the future for the Desktop.

Link(s) please.

Windows RT is the future vision of Microsoft for the mainstream users...

I think users will have some say about that, too.
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aurgathor

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reply to Kerodo

said by Kerodo:

A separate OS for tablets would have been wiser, leaving the traditional desktop/laptop OS as is.

Having an option for the traditional desktop would've been more than enough.
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