| [OOL] Backing up to cloud-am I at risk of being throttled/capped I'm on Optimum's slower 20mbps down/2mbps up plan in Stratford, CT.
I recently started using Crashplan, a cloud backup service, to protect my pictures, music, files from my business, etc. I have about 80gb of stuff to upload -- it's not much but at 2mbps up, it can take a while and I'd be theoretically running at my upload max during this temporary time period.
Crashplan allows timed backups, meaning I can have it run uploads between 1am - 7am, for example. I plan doing that so that I don't screw around with my neighborhood node and potentially upset people if my node is saturated. Honestly, I don't think it's saturated but I could be wrong.
Would this temporary project raise any flags from a throttling/capping perspective? I don't want the powers to be thinking that I'm running a torrent server or something akin that would get me in trouble. haha |
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| Re: [OOL] Backing up to cloud-am I at risk of being throttled/ca Upload throttling hasn't been a thing for 5+ years. |
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said by Comp625:Crashplan allows timed backups, meaning I can have it run uploads between 1am - 7am, for example. I plan doing that so that I don't screw around with my neighborhood node and potentially upset people if my node is saturated. Honestly, I don't think it's saturated but I could be wrong.
Thank you for being considerate towards your neighbors. Your full initial 80GB at 250KB/s will take about 3.7 days - but it would take a full 10 customers in your node (of 150-300) to start doing initial backups at the same time to max out one of the 30Mbps ATDMA upstream channels (and there's at least 2) - but I would think there's at most one sub per node doing a full initial backup per MONTH. There's no throttling or threatening letters/calls/web-injected banners at Optimum for any of this.
Yes, non-time-critical things like daily backups going into the quiet hours of the day (1am-8am) helps nicely in the overall scheme of things, and you're likely to get better performance (backup speed) during those hours - but reality is that you're very unlikely to back up more than 50MB differential data per day - that's less than 200 seconds of transfer time at full rate: not a whole lot. |
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FYI - I have BOOL Static Boost+ in Fairfield and I setup Windows Azure Online Backup and have backed up 1TB with nothing from CV about it. I too start my backups late at night and they get automatically throttled down to 256KB/s (about 2Mbps) during the daytime (by my setup, not CV).
I did 300GB x 2 by accident because of a configuration issue on my end, took about 6 days on to do it and I was just checking on it daily trying to figure out why it's taking so long. Had a folder with ISOs (TechNet) being backed up that I didn't uncheck. After that I set it up again but wasn't working the way I wanted so cancelled and started again! LOL. Now that it's completed and setup it backs up about 2-3GB per night starting at 11pm just so it can finish by morning.
Using 2 separate modems now (total 3 actually) for voice and 2 data lines so I've set the server to upload over the slower "Boost" line (5Mbps) while everyone in the company uses the Boost+ line for speeds as we get some big files (PDFs, ZIPs with tons of images) all the time.
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Hey CV - i'd really like some faster uploads! We would jump on the Ultra plan but it's not much faster (uploads) for tons more money. Since Cox and Comcast and all them are dishing out free upgrades, how about sending some our way too?  - I'll take 75/20Mbps please! |
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Indeed, the upload is sorely lagging. One has to wonder how any cable company can overcome the noise floor by adding more upstream channels. Sure DOCSIS 3.1 and future iterations of DOCSIS will hold over cable/coax. But at some point in the future coax/copper will be maxed out and will have to have FTTH or Cablevision and the rest of the cable industry will be unable to compete. |
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I also do backups to the cloud, and do it at night. I'm glad to see there are other people thinking the same way, and using off-peak times.
Besides being nicer for your neighbors, and spreading the load for CV, it also doesn't use your bandwidth during peak hours - or CPU/disk resources.
I'd like to see modems have firmware that could handle config files with multiple limits. That way CV could use the current limits during peak times, and perhaps double the limits in off peak times. Better for them too - SHotta35 could start backups at 1am instead of 11pm, and end sooner.
said by SHoTTa35 :everyone in the company uses the Boost+ line for speeds as we get some big files (PDFs, ZIPs with tons of images) all the time.
How many people in your company and how much storage to you have?? With Boost+ I would think you could download more images than most companies could look at - and if you are not looking and just storing, you must have a huge disk farm.
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said by SHoTTa35 :FYI - I have BOOL Static Boost+ in Fairfield and I setup Windows Azure Online Backup and have backed up 1TB with nothing from CV about it. I too start my backups late at night and they get automatically throttled down to 256KB/s (about 2Mbps) during the daytime (by my setup, not CV).
I did 300GB x 2 by accident because of a configuration issue on my end, took about 6 days on to do it and I was just checking on it daily trying to figure out why it's taking so long. Had a folder with ISOs (TechNet) being backed up that I didn't uncheck. After that I set it up again but wasn't working the way I wanted so cancelled and started again! LOL. Now that it's completed and setup it backs up about 2-3GB per night starting at 11pm just so it can finish by morning.
Using 2 separate modems now (total 3 actually) for voice and 2 data lines so I've set the server to upload over the slower "Boost" line (5Mbps) while everyone in the company uses the Boost+ line for speeds as we get some big files (PDFs, ZIPs with tons of images) all the time.
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Hey CV - i'd really like some faster uploads! We would jump on the Ultra plan but it's not much faster (uploads) for tons more money. Since Cox and Comcast and all them are dishing out free upgrades, how about sending some our way too? - I'll take 75/20Mbps please!
If you're that heavy on upstream traffic, cable is not the right connectivity for your business, as you'll not get what you seek anytime soon:
a.) multiple modems to consume even more data from the SAME upstreams and downstreams, muscling out the other subs with numbers: How did you get around the single-data-modem-per-account restriction that appears to be in place for some time now (for exactly such "traffic load" reasons) ?
b.) 2-3GB/night up isn't outrageously much - about 3.7 hrs at 2Mbps, but 11pm is still "primetime" (it goes all the way to midnight). Why compete with real/interactive traffic at 11pm, when it could as well run from 2-6am? Is Windows Azure not managing to back up faster than 2Mbps???
c.) 2 Mbps sustained US during the day? Wait? You're continuously doing backups *during* the day, too? Now that could be a problem, if there's 10 other users like that on your node (with 200-300 users): you're using a LARGE share of the available resources here. Note how standard cable systems have varying return combination ratios, often combining 2 node's return into one, meaning: those 2*30Mbps US channels you tend to see (and each upstream channel not strictly bound to OOL/Boost/Ultra anymore) are really serving 400-600 users.
There, to repeat what everyone in the industry always knew, as that math is pretty simple:
Return spectrum is very scarce, and hence a LOT more expensive: You can only make more with node splits. Forget about going from a 40 to a 100MHz return system: that requires investments so pricy, you don't want to pay for it with strongly increased rates across all tiers - we're talking multiple dollars/month/customer over several years here! And you are taking away precious downstream channels away at the same time - where do all those new HD channels go again? Any cable company that doesn't factor all this into today's HSD pricing model (e.g.: no overly generous upload speeds at overly competitive pricing), is not going to be in business for long.
As far as the future is concerned, and I really mean FUTURE, not "next year":
Look for EPoC (see »www.heavyreading.com/document.as···lr_cable) and RFoG (D-PON - see »www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···aper.pdf ) that will make some, but not all of this go away.
See a recent discussion on DSLR about Rogers apparently using RFoG : »Re: It's not over coax... . Again, this is not going to be here or everywhere, and not even throughout Roger's footprint, as it comes with 100's of dollars of investment per subscriber, but only if you commit to upgrading an entire market - while fractions are going to cost you 1000's of dollars per sub. And in Roger's case came with something rendering the ENTIRE service as not useful to customers: A 250 Mbps service with a 500GB cap: exhaustion possible after only 4.5 hrs of downloading at full speed.
About as useful as that overpriced 4G LTE data plan from Verizon Wireless that you DIDN'T want, but their illegal bundling forces it on you. |
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Oh? Backups changed - granted I don't see peek time slow down at all but definitely changed now to 1am.
When I mentioned large data sets I mean stuff like this:
»www.cityofshelton.org/images/sto···Regs.pdf (~80MB)
Now that file doesn't change often but we do get them for basically all the towns (say 140 different towns in CT and once in a while in NYC) plus GIS data (which can be in the 2-3GB range - obviously that doesn't change often as well). Storage is not that big but it's at about ~300GB used now (have to keep files for up to 5yrs back on site - rest can be stored offsite). Total storage is about 1TB though with a RAID10. 2TB USB Backup for the whole server.
Mainly however it's from the new images that are taken for the reports being done. In the sense that everyone have digital cameras that take pictures of sites they visit. The images mainly get reviewed after being saved to the digital workfile, some go in reports some just get left in the folder for future reference/court stuff.
As for cablewizzard:
A - There are 2 companies here, granted same owners. That's why there's 2, well technically 3 modems - 1 data only (DOCSIS 3.0 because the multiple voice modems are all D2), 1 data/voice one and 1 more being a data/voice but only used for the 4 voice lines).
B - The 2Mbps limit is what I set just incase the upload doesn't complete by daytime. This doesn't happen normally other than the initial backup of 300GB (error on my part :P) as that took 5 days to complete. This space is office and the node is shared between a few large office buildings (which most probably don't use CV or use the Lightpath option instead) so not many if any homes on this part of the town.
WAOB also compresses before it backs up so not that much data actually get sent over the wire. Monday and Tuesday was 1.2GB total so yeah, not that big of a deal.. Took 34 minutes.
Probably still wont make a difference in what CV offers for uploads but hey, guess we can always dream which is the point right? Surely we could jump on Lightpath for the crazy 100Mbps symmetrical but probably gonna cost 2 arms and a leg!
But so nobody kills me, I've since changed it to 1AM now  |
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1 edit | reply to Comp625
I have my routine cloud backups scheduled for 1am. However, my initial backup ran for several days 24hrs a day. The cloud backup I use has a throttle for bandwidth. Now I keep it set to 60%. For my initial backup, I had it around 50% during the day and 80% overnight.
I never had any problem with capping. |
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