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pvanb
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Re: [DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Ontario - Update

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personally, for those on legacy 6 meg.. if you have a wet loop.. I'd actually stay there just because all the FTTN stuff actually performs better..

I'm assuming you mean stay on the wet loop, not stay on legacy 6 meg?

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said by TSI Marc:

said by nitzguy:

Should I do a dance in the middle of the street?

only if you share the video of it!

personally, for those on legacy 6 meg.. if you have a wet loop.. I'd actually stay there just because all the FTTN stuff actually performs better.. we'll be telling our reps the same thing. it's not that it doesn't work.. it will surely work but we just have a better certainty that it will work on newer infrastructure.

If you're upgrading to 15/1.. you should be able to do that now. the dry loop install fees should now be waived.

The TekTalk stuff, I don't believe that's getting rolled out today. But once it does, anybody on it will have everything adjusted accordingly.. everybody gets the same deal...

With all the snow we got I'd be doing the slush dance, maybe when it melts away a little lol.

I have a 15/1 with a wet loop right now. I'm just worried about downtime and minimizing that downtime as I'm in an apartment right now and I'm afriad to look to see if I have a 2nd pair as I"m only about 700m from the CO but...I'm lucky to sync at the 16320 profile right now....the lines are not that great going into my apartment I"m guessing.

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gotcha.. you'll have to work through it all with somebody on the team.. I'm sure it's doable though.

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said by HiVolt:

said by Theriex:

Why do I only qualify for 25/10 with Teksavvy, but qualify for 50/10 with Bell?

Same thing for my postal code.

Trick I've found is to get your dry loop number and have them qualify you on that, rather than your postal code.

When I first ordered service TSI only qualified me for 16 ADSL2+, even though Bell was happy to sell me 25/7 and FibeTV. I had Bell install 25/7, got my dry loop #, and then had TSI install a second line based on that #. Went through without issue.

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said by pvanb:

said by TSI Marc:

personally, for those on legacy 6 meg.. if you have a wet loop.. I'd actually stay there just because all the FTTN stuff actually performs better..

I'm assuming you mean stay on the wet loop, not stay on legacy 6 meg?

if you're on 6 meg legacy.. wet loop is best solution. is all I'm saying...

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Can I purchase my own modem and use it for this service? To avoid the 8$ rental fee? And I would just have to pay service + dry loop?

How much exactly does the dry loop cost? I see many different Band's on the website

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said by SimplePanda:

said by HiVolt:

said by Theriex:

Why do I only qualify for 25/10 with Teksavvy, but qualify for 50/10 with Bell?

Same thing for my postal code.

Trick I've found is to get your dry loop number and have them qualify you on that, rather than your postal code.

When I first ordered service TSI only qualified me for 16 ADSL2+, even though Bell was happy to sell me 25/7 and FibeTV. I had Bell install 25/7, got my dry loop #, and then had TSI install a second line based on that #. Went through without issue.

when you proceed to order.. our system does a second, more thorough check.. you should be able to override things from there. try it out and see what happens.. i'm curious too.

..Bell also just released new tools that we haven't yet incorporated they may also have recently updated their DB as well.. so that could be causing further issues i dont know but as far as we know it should be pretty accurate once you go down to the second check. for the postal code.. there's only so much you can do without the specific address... it will never be perfect.. it's not possible.

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Marc do you have ballpark about the price range for the buy your own vdsl modem option?

Also the availability checker seems to have some issues. I'm going to call in to order but several postal codes which have 50/10(and fibe tv) don't get the option for ordering 50/10 only 25/10.

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I didn't see any second check. Still comes up as 25/10 max. Both Bell and Start give me 50/10 with my full address.

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said by Theriex:

I didn't see any second check. Still comes up as 25/10 max. Both Bell and Start give me 50/10 with my full address.

try to order it... it will do a second check.

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said by TSI Marc:

said by Theriex:

I didn't see any second check. Still comes up as 25/10 max. Both Bell and Start give me 50/10 with my full address.

try to order it... it will do a second check.

Unless I'm missing something, you can't order without entering the postal code, and once its got that, it does not show DSL 50 for me... if I go ahead with the ordering info it continues to show everything as DSL25...

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Ya I don't want to order unless it shows 50/10. I also want want to make sure it's under my current CID and that my current services are merged with the internet. So I guess murder involves a little more work.

Edit: Lol 'murder' involves a little more work, nice. that's supposed to be My Order
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I'm looking at the TSI site but I see many different Band's of dry loop, which one would I need exactly for 25/10? (never used dsl before)
darrylr
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You don't pick a band. You're residence is already in one but it isn't obvious which one until someone looks it up.

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said by HiVolt:

said by TSI Marc:

said by Theriex:

I didn't see any second check. Still comes up as 25/10 max. Both Bell and Start give me 50/10 with my full address.

try to order it... it will do a second check.

Unless I'm missing something, you can't order without entering the postal code, and once its got that, it does not show DSL 50 for me... if I go ahead with the ordering info it continues to show everything as DSL25...

we'll be looking at why exactly it doesn't show... if it really is supposed to show..

if you proceed to order the 25 meg though.. will it allow you to over ride and choose a different speed? I believe it does...

if you have existing service though, you should call in for sure as we temporarily disabled those upgrade tools in MyWorld...

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Oh, i wasnt checking in myworld, actually... just on the main site...

I'll wait a little bit until the modem situation is more clear...
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Did a little URL guessing and the 50/10 plan seems to be listed at:

»www.teksavvy.com/en/resi ··· d-dsl-50.
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Quick modem question, I'm currently on 6/0.8 using a 2wire 2700HG-B which I got waaaay back when Bell first introduced caps and I switched to TS. I assume the 2wire won't work on a 15/1 line but my backup TP-8816 should work?

Also, I'm connected to an IKNS remote. Would the upload bug still affect me on 15/1?

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It's iffy, because the 2700HG-B is an ADSL2+ modem, but there is conflicting information about how well it actually does with ADSL2+ connections. Theoretically, it should work.

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are these new rates sync rates or actual download & upload rates?

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For legacy service, the advertised rates are the sync speeds, not the actual speeds. For FTTN, the advertised rates are the actual speeds, not the sync speeds.

For example, 25/10 service actually syncs in the ballpark of 27/11.3

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so as long as you're served by FTTN and not the CO, regardless if you are on VDSL or ADSL you get the actual rate?

15/1 would be 15/1?

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said by Guspaz:

It's iffy, because the 2700HG-B is an ADSL2+ modem, but there is conflicting information about how well it actually does with ADSL2+ connections. Theoretically, it should work.

It works extremely well on 19455/1085.

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If I had to guess, I'd say 15/1 is probably something like 16/1.3
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said by Guspaz:

For legacy service, the advertised rates are the sync speeds, not the actual speeds. For FTTN, the advertised rates are the actual speeds, not the sync speeds.

Note that for legacy, those are max sync speeds. For legacy 5/0.8, I got syncs of 3 Mbps.
said by Mike2009:

said by Guspaz:

It's iffy, because the 2700HG-B is an ADSL2+ modem, but there is conflicting information about how well it actually does with ADSL2+ connections. Theoretically, it should work.

It works extremely well on 19455/1085.

Good to know, as I have one of those modems too. I found that modem isn't the strongest for sync stability for legacy ADSL, but it was good enough, esp. when I only paid $25 for the thing.
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What are people recommending these days for buying adsl2+ modem?

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So we can only rent modems at this point?

That's a shame!
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said by Poser:

So we can only rent modems at this point?

That's a shame!

Rent-only for VDSL2 only, but that should be changing soon. You purchase modems for ADSL2 and legacy DSL.

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said by Eug:

said by Guspaz:

For legacy service, the advertised rates are the sync speeds, not the actual speeds. For FTTN, the advertised rates are the actual speeds, not the sync speeds.

Note that for legacy, those are max sync speeds. For legacy 5/0.8, I got syncs of 3 Mbps.
said by Mike2009:

said by Guspaz:

It's iffy, because the 2700HG-B is an ADSL2+ modem, but there is conflicting information about how well it actually does with ADSL2+ connections. Theoretically, it should work.

It works extremely well on 19455/1085.

Good to know, as I have one of those modems too. I found that modem isn't the strongest for sync stability for legacy ADSL, but it was good enough, esp. when I only paid $25 for the thing.

The 2700HG-B with AT&T firmware is great. I also have a 2701HG-T with Qwest Firmware which is even better. It has less detailed stats than the 2700 but is extremely stable. I would highly recommend this bridged with a good router.

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said by Guspaz:

If I had to guess, I'd say 15/1 is probably something like 16/1.3

nope, the upstream is 1088 max on any ADSL2+ tier... However very few people get that upstream, its usually under 1000k, add to that the real world speed is 900k or less...

Bell never did offer Annex M to increase ADSL2+ upload speeds.