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cme2

@optonline.net

[WIN7] hd did not retain data....

got an old hp dv1000....37 gb hd....formatted it with dban...

installed updates...got the 0 recommend updates and the installed updates...restarted and noticed no updates or data retained to hd...

perplexed...i did it again...this time the data stored...

uhmmm?



redxii
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1 edit

Can you explain things a little more clearer?



Krisnatharok
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reply to cme2

You have to go through the update procedure + reboot procedure many times, even if it shows no updates are available, more may show up once the current patch is applied and you reboot.
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cme2

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reply to cme2

i formatted an old laptop, installed win 7. installed 60 updates. indicator said updates were installled...yet the yellow box saying successfully installed restart pc did not appear.

i restarted, windows said it was configuring. once i restart and go to update center i notice nothing was installed whatsoever.

so during that whole time the updates were downloaded.....installed

and nothing happened....hmmm 37gb hd from 10 years ago. no errors was barely used



Krisnatharok
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You're complaining about a 10 year old HDD? Can the computer even run Windows 7?



norwegian
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reply to cme2

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said by cme2 :

i restarted, windows said it was configuring. once i restart and go to update center i notice nothing was installed whatsoever.

Are you sure you looked in the "view installed updates" link?
The Add/Remove panel is only for non-operating system programs.


cme2

@optonline.net
reply to Krisnatharok

yes it can run it with the themes turned off.

all i am asking is how it showed updates installed...i restart and nothing was applied beside the windows agent updater ...

it boggles my mind to know things were downloaded and a progress bar showing installing updates...and for me to restart seeing nothing.

besides the windows updater being installed.

electromagnetic hdd issue? eh who knows the hd was barely used.

Nevermind



cme2

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reply to norwegian

yes indeedy i did...it only installed 1 update.



Hank
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reply to cme2

In reality the 37GB drive may not be big enough for Windows7 and the updates to install.



norwegian
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reply to cme2

My next guess is along Hank's reply, the cache of updates was too big for the HDD, try hooking up an external HDD to allow a cache of the updates for installing from.
Note: Although it is already completed.
Otherwise run HDD Tune pro and check smart details on the drive.



AlphaOne
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reply to cme2

It only installed the updater. That has to go in first.
Run the windows update again.


n_w95482
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reply to Hank

If it's a fresh Windows 7 install with little else installed, 40 GB is plenty for the OS+updates.
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norwegian
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You would think so, and I understand there are quite a few reboots in between, but to download the full kit from scratch and install as Microsoft required, and create all temp files and all else, the "clean install" may balk at such a small size. Personally, I've love to see this question started from scratch with an external drive to see if all the temp/cache nonsense was offloaded to see if it was duplicated or not, or just user misunderstanding.

Just curious.
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Camelot One
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reply to cme2

If you installed using an original win7 disk, there are several updates that require individual install and reboot. WU may download 50 updates, but only install 1 or 2 on each reboot. The next time WU is run, the previously downloaded updates wont have to be downloaded again, just installed.
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n_w95482
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reply to norwegian

I've done fresh installs with partition sizes of that or slightly less, it uses maybe half of that at the most. If you have a lot of RAM (8+ GB) and have the pagefile and hibernation file on it, then you may start running into problems. Nuke hibernation, and it's easy to get a Windows install in the teens.

Windows downloads updates to be installed at C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download. Take a peek in there, especially during a big patch cycle. There should be a lot of stuff in there.
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cme2

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reply to cme2

this has not occured in the past to me.

I use a digitalriver content iso. md5 verified.

hdd error i guess.


n_w95482
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reply to Camelot One

I think you nailed it .
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norwegian
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Yes, but this was an old system with a small HDD, doubt there is 8GB ram, I bet it is lucky if it makes 4 GB limit and I'm also guessing x86 platform.
There wasn't a real lot of info.

But for cleaning up the system, yes I agree, you can strip a lot of wasted temp storage back to quite a small figure, I think 7GB from memory on XP was normal for me with 1 or 2GB ram in the old days. Win 7 I haven't stripped as much, as you suggest, more ram etc.

Back to the OP's question, still not results from a HD Tune pro trial to see what shape the HDD is in and still very limited info for even guessing what is happening with that system.

Once, trouble shooting meant listing hardware specs as a basic for help.
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n_w95482
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said by norwegian:

Yes, but this was an old system with a small HDD, doubt there is 8GB ram, I bet it is lucky if it makes 4 GB limit and I'm also guessing x86 platform.
There wasn't a real lot of info.

That just proves my point even further. Less RAM=less space used out of the box.

I did a fresh Windows 7 install on an Optiplex 380 (2 GB RAM) a couple of hours ago. With hibernation disabled and video card drivers installed (Radeon HD 2400), it's using a hair over 10 GB. I'll install updates on it tomorrow and see how much it goes up by.
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norwegian
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How about a figure of a fully loaded O/S, and think of a small amount of ram requiring a good sized page file etc to, don't turn off hibernation for the test, that is cheating.
Although on that note if the HDD was exceeding it's limits and the installer/s were out of space you would likely see an "out of virtual memory" error before the HDD was full, at least I believe you would see it at some point.

As for the HDD smart report, it still would be great for the topic....otherwise we are all hot air in the balloon of this topic. So far the discussion for the OP just raises eye brows like a balloon....a little bit of corny description too I know.
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Camelot One
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reply to cme2

I run tests in VMware regularly, using a 40Gb partition for Windows 7, all the updates, and quite a bit of software.

The hard drive size is not the issue here.



Sandman
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reply to cme2

I have to agree with Camelot One See Profile and the others that are saying that this seems like it's more of a Windows Update "problem/oddity" than a problem with your hard drive.
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n_w95482
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reply to norwegian

said by norwegian:

How about a figure of a fully loaded O/S, and think of a small amount of ram requiring a good sized page file etc to...

I was hoping to work on that PC more today, but not as much as I had intended, nor will that be the case tomorrow (out of town work). Hopefully next week I'll be doing that.

said by norwegian:

don't turn off hibernation for the test, that is cheating.

Eh, I'd hardly consider that cheating. It's very easy to enable/disable it, and it's easy to calculate how much space it uses (system RAM=hibernation file size). If the current space used+system RAM>total space, you're good. If you're not needing it, it's a perfectly valid thing to shut off (it's off on all of my PCs, they're either folding, gaming, or off).

said by norwegian:

Although on that note if the HDD was exceeding it's limits and the installer/s were out of space you would likely see an "out of virtual memory" error before the HDD was full, at least I believe you would see it at some point.

You'd see that message if something was using a ton of memory, spilling over from RAM to the pagefile, and filling that up too. You'd notice it running like ass before that popped up. In general storage, the space usage bar in My Computer would turn red first (somewhere between 10-15% left), with popup messages starting at 200 MB left.
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cme2

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reply to cme2

okay when i was finished updating prior to the restart a screen appeared on the update window and said successfully installed updates with that green shield. usually a successfully installed updates with a restart dialogue appears.

either a windows update manager error + hdd magnetic error?

eh. it had windows xp on it and i formatted the hdd using dban before the install of the win 7.

was i supposed to delete the parition on the hdd first and then use dban...

i dunno...multiple errors here....and i have obsessive compulsive disorder.

terrible recipe for my condition...obsessing over computer errros...


tofaeg

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reply to Camelot One

nice explanation