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Barca360

@verizon.net
reply to donjuan2002

Re: [HD] BeIN Sports - Coming this month

BeIN sport live in NJ? I live in northern NJ... I still don't have the channel :/


Barca360

@verizon.net
Never mind, finally! HD quality looks great!


PirateJim
Premium
join:2007-07-11
Toms River, NJ
reply to Greg2600
said by Greg2600:

Did VHO7 finally get TV Guide HD?

No, not yet ..

blue_trooper

join:2007-04-17
Exton, PA
reply to Keano
said by Keano:

BeIN is one of the best looking channels on Directv. I can't say I'm all that surprised it looks like crap on Verizon. Some things never change.

What things would those be? The Fios service may have a lot of flaws but PQ has never been one of them. Especially when compared to DirecTV.


Keano

join:2012-03-14
South Grafton, MA

1 edit
said by blue_trooper:

said by Keano:

BeIN is one of the best looking channels on Directv. I can't say I'm all that surprised it looks like crap on Verizon. Some things never change.

What things would those be? The Fios service may have a lot of flaws but PQ has never been one of them. Especially when compared to DirecTV.

I've had both services and Directv PQ blows away Verizon. I was really surprised at how bad some of the channels looked. I primarily watch sports so those channels really stuck out. The local NBC affiliate (WHDH), the local Comcast RSN and NESN were all just a jumbled macroblocking mess. Fox Soccer PQ was ok when the video wasn't stuttering and the audio wasn't dropping out every couple minutes. The Verizon techs that came out to my house played with the lines and replaced the boxes. Eventually they said there was nothing they could do and that was how the channels were supposed to look. After a few months of dealing with the Verizon bullshit I gave up switched back to D* and they paid my ETF. Haven't had a single issue with any of those channels since.

Strommy

join:2010-04-23
King Of Prussia, PA
reply to Greg2600
said by Greg2600:

Did VHO7 finally get TV Guide HD?

Even though we now have beIn in VHO8 we still do not have the TV Guide HD channel.

JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:4
reply to Keano
Well, that's not normal. Pixellating... stuttering... none of that is what you should be seeing. Sounds like you got a crappy tech. I've had both services too, and while DirecTV's HD is very nice, I think FiOS has always edged them out in PQ.

kes601

join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA
kudos:2
said by JPL:

Well, that's not normal. Pixellating... stuttering... none of that is what you should be seeing. Sounds like you got a crappy tech. I've had both services too, and while DirecTV's HD is very nice, I think FiOS has always edged them out in PQ.

I'm a big FiOS supporter and am happy for the most part, but I do not think FiOS has superior PQ to Cox here.

The Comcast/NBC Universal stations are just plain awful on FiOS, they look great on Cox.

The odd thing is that here, the locals are great, but the nationals just don't look very good to me anymore, definitely not better than the competition.


Keano

join:2012-03-14
South Grafton, MA
reply to JPL
said by JPL:

Well, that's not normal. Pixellating... stuttering... none of that is what you should be seeing. Sounds like you got a crappy tech. I've had both services too, and while DirecTV's HD is very nice, I think FiOS has always edged them out in PQ.

LOL...crappy tech? I think I had 4 different crappy techs come out to my house in the 5 months I had Verizon. Several of my friends had similar PQ issues. It wasn't just me.

JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:4
All I can say is that what you saw isn't normal. The fact that a tech told you that such crappy PQ is normal, to me, indicates a crappy tech. If your neighbors had the same issue, then the problem is likely due to a local issue. There was a thread, some time ago, where someone on here noticed something similar. The problem was the node that fed his neighborhood. Verizon fixed that issue, and all was good in that area.

As for a response to kes - I never said that FiOS had superior PQ to every provider. I think they have the best in this area, for sure. And yes, I think they're superior to DirecTV. To each his own.


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to Onedollar
I normally don't complain about PQ, but the bitrate on this channel is horrible. The log is pixelated.
Expand your moderator at work


aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
reply to Greg2600

Re: [HD] BeIN Sports - Coming this month

said by Greg2600:

I normally don't complain about PQ, but the bitrate on this channel is horrible. The log is pixelated.

What is the bitrate?


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to Onedollar
The data rate, you know what I mean. If I have two videos at the same resolution, and once was encoded with half the bitrate, it will look much worse. Pixelated, blocky, crap.

blue_trooper

join:2007-04-17
Exton, PA
I'm guessing aaronwt was asking what you measured the bitrate to be.

I glanced at the channel last night. I thought the PQ was good but there was a lot of macroblocking which I'll attribute to initial setup issues unless it continues for a while.

BTW - VZ passes on the full bitrate it gets from the networks.

JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:4
reply to Greg2600
I think he's asking 'what actually IS the bitrate for the channel?' not 'what's the definition of bit rate?'. I'll be honest, though - I haven't seen any blocking. I didn't watch it for any real length of time, but I kept flipping to the channel off and on throughout the day. I thought the SD feeds on that channel (when they were sending SD) were ok. But when they sent in HD, I thought the picture was pretty stunning. Better than I expected, actually.


Keano

join:2012-03-14
South Grafton, MA
reply to JPL
said by JPL:

All I can say is that what you saw isn't normal. The fact that a tech told you that such crappy PQ is normal, to me, indicates a crappy tech. If your neighbors had the same issue, then the problem is likely due to a local issue. There was a thread, some time ago, where someone on here noticed something similar. The problem was the node that fed his neighborhood. Verizon fixed that issue, and all was good in that area.

Wow, your reading comprehension SUCKS. I said "techs" (plural) as in more then one. And I said "friends". A couple are neighbors but most live in other towns who were also experiencing the same PQ issues that I was dealing with.

I've never seen macroblocking on beIn. The channel has consistently been one of the best looking since Directv added it last August. You guys stuck with Verizon just can't ever win.


motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:4
reply to Greg2600
said by Greg2600:

The data rate, you know what I mean. If I have two videos at the same resolution, and once was encoded with half the bitrate, it will look much worse. Pixelated, blocky, crap.

got to add in the compression as well MPEG4 is 50% more efficient than MPEG so a 6Mbps stream encoded as MPEG4 would be the equivalent of a 12Mbps MPEG2 stream.

Grover8

join:2012-01-06
Fresh Meadows, NY
reply to aaronwt
Sequence Frame 180(0-X) / Time 0:00:04 :
Info: End of H.264 sequence

Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 11.17 MB, Play Time: 00h:00m:05s
30.24 FPS (Average), 14.89 Mbps (Average).
AC3 Audio: 2/0 Channels (L, R), 48.0 kHz, 224 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB
0 of 186 audio frames found with errors.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log

Bitrate is pretty good for H.264 but I haven't had time to watch a full HD program. Last time I watched a game it was hit or miss. Most of the soccer games look horrible but handball was not bad. I'm going to watch Amstel Gold Race today at 12:30pm. Big cycling fan here.

JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:4

4 edits
reply to Keano
said by Keano:

said by JPL:

All I can say is that what you saw isn't normal. The fact that a tech told you that such crappy PQ is normal, to me, indicates a crappy tech. If your neighbors had the same issue, then the problem is likely due to a local issue. There was a thread, some time ago, where someone on here noticed something similar. The problem was the node that fed his neighborhood. Verizon fixed that issue, and all was good in that area.

Wow, your reading comprehension SUCKS. I said "techs" (plural) as in more then one. And I said "friends". A couple are neighbors but most live in other towns who were also experiencing the same PQ issues that I was dealing with.

I've never seen macroblocking on beIn. The channel has consistently been one of the best looking since Directv added it last August. You guys stuck with Verizon just can't ever win.

What is your issue? My comprehension is fine. You said 'techs'... I said 'tech'... so the hell what? You're getting hung up the fact that I used the singular and you used the plural? All of that changes exactly nothing. What the tech (or techs) told you was 100% flat out wrong. Ergo, the tech (or techs) who told you that were crappy. What difference does it make if you're talking about 1 tech or a dozen? Not sure why you got hung up on that fine hair, but whatever.

As for the friends seeing the same issue - you're right, I assumed neighbors. But NONE of that changes the fact that: WHAT YOU WERE SEEING IS NOT NORMAL! That was my point. The tech (or techs - gotta put this caveat in all over the place, I guess, since it seems to be an issue for you) that told you it was normal is/are crappy.

As for reading comprehension - read what I wrote about the PQ of BeIN. Why are you assuming that the Verizon feeds are to blame for the macroblocking that a couple viewers are seeing? Can't possibly be the equipment in customers' homes, right? Because, you're right, I've NEVER met a DirecTV customer who complains about random drop-outs... random blocking. Oh wait! I DO know folks like that. Does that mean that DirecTV's signal is bad? Of course not. There are myriads of reasons why those issues pop up - from bad dish alignment to faulty equipment. The fact that there are a number of folks on here saying that the BeIN PQ on FiOS is great tells you what? That Verizon's signal is to blame? Um, no.

Your assumption that Verizon's PQ sucks because a couple customers are seeing issues is... interesting. This is a new compression format for Verizon. Think DirecTV had no growing pains with getting to mpeg4? I used to hang out at some DirecTV forums, and the level of frustration by customers was palpable. But, absolutely - Verizon migrates to the same format, has a couple issue, and it's a case that Verizon can do nothing right.

Again, my comprehension is fine. Try reading my posts without reading stuff INTO them that you want to see.

Edit - one final point. What's this 'you guys stuck with Verizon' nonsense? Who is 'stuck' with any one provider? I CHOSE to come to Verizon. After having Comcast and DirecTV. No one is forcing anyone to go with any specific provider. You found PQ nirvana with DirecTV? That's awesome. But it's less than helpful to hang out on a FiOS forum, yelling 'naaa naaa naaa naaa... your service sucks!' Verizon's not perfect (not by a long shot), but all I can say is - from my perspective, the service is rock solid. I have virtually no issues with my service (their billing/ordering systems... ok, that's another matter). I have no issue with someone switching to any provider that they want. Nor do I have issues with a former customer hanging out on a forum for a service that they no longer subscribe to. But the barrage of negativity, sorry, serves no purpose.


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to blue_trooper
said by blue_trooper:

I'm guessing aaronwt was asking what you measured the bitrate to be.

I glanced at the channel last night. I thought the PQ was good but there was a lot of macroblocking which I'll attribute to initial setup issues unless it continues for a while.

BTW - VZ passes on the full bitrate it gets from the networks.

Ah, I get it. Well whatever it is, the PQ looks pretty bad for HD Sports, hopefully they can adjust it.

blue_trooper

join:2007-04-17
Exton, PA
Could be the source as well. I wouldn't doubt that a number of the foreign stadia have less than optimal HD production facilites.


nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
kudos:17

1 recommendation

This....

Compare the HD feeds for NFL Red Zone games. Some of the network feeds for the NFL games look horrible on Red Zone.

The BeIN broadcast is only as good as the feed they get from the field.

IanR

join:2001-03-22
Fort Mill, SC
reply to Onedollar
I live in Morris County NJ and my TIVO told me ai had a new channel BEin at 1539 (I think thats the number). When I went to the page it was completely blank though.


aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
said by IanR:

I live in Morris County NJ and my TIVO told me ai had a new channel BEin at 1539 (I think thats the number). When I went to the page it was completely blank though.

I think that is the Spanish channel. You need to be subscribed to the Spanish tier to receive it.


charliewatts

join:2013-04-10
reply to Onedollar
Al Jazeera May Buy Another U.S. Cable Network NY Post
Al Jazeera is considering buying another U.S. cable network, as the Qatar-based news network wants to move into the sports media market, reports the New York Post.

Al Jazeera, backed by the Qatar government, has an affiliate called beIN Sport that appears to have its sights set on the Tennis Channel, the story says. BeIN Sport is a global network of sports channels.

In January, Al Jazeera bought Current TV for $500 million.

A group of private equity firms own the Tennis Channel, which is said to be in play. Tennis Channel declined comment.



matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
All these buy outs and name changes and format changes are so confusing to the average viewer and getting out of hand.


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to Onedollar
In the end it only means we "the customer" will pay more for the same service.