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uridium

join:2009-01-21

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Security Update KB2807986

For some reason Security Update KB2807986 is not checked by default and am wondering why an important update such as this is not ticked. Should I install it?


StuartMW
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Wasn't for me either. I ticked it.


Oregonian
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reply to uridium
It is an important security update so I would go ahead and install it.

»technet.microsoft.com/en-us/secu···MS13-027

It wasn't selected for me either so I went ahead and selected and installed it with no issues.


rcdailey
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That's odd, because I am sure it was checked on three Win 7 Pro systems that I updated today. Maybe it is some sort of glitch in update that left it unchecked for some users but not others.
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uridium

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reply to uridium
Okay, thanks folks. I will go ahead and install it.


Oregonian
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said by rcdailey:

That's odd, because I am sure it was checked on three Win 7 Pro systems that I updated today. Maybe it is some sort of glitch in update that left it unchecked for some users but not others.

I had 20 updates in all (Windows, Office 2013) and both this update and IE 10 were not checked. I installed the 18 updates that were checked first, then came back and installed the last 2. All seems good.


Rebrider
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reply to StuartMW
said by StuartMW:

Wasn't for me either. I ticked it.

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SpHeRe31459
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reply to uridium
Yep unticked on all three PCs I personally updated today at work.

Usually MS sets certain updates to unticked by default when it may cause some disruption to software and needs to be installed by itself and/or only is important if you specifically know you need it.

The KB notes for the patch says:
»support.microsoft.com/kb/2807986
quote:
In certain automated update deployment scenarios (such as from Windows Update or Microsoft Update), this update may not always install. This would also cause other pending updates not to install.

baess

join:2011-01-28

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reply to uridium
The term for an important update that is not checked is "throttling". Why it's done is debatable. This quote is from an MS person for a previous "throttled" update.

"Updates are generally throttled when they are (a) major releases that need to be gradually deployed (like a major version upgrade for Internet Explorer), (b) when there are potential quality issues found in the first day or two of release (so we can slow the deployment while we gather data to assess the scope of an issue), or - as in this case - (c) we don't want to hit every Windows consumer PC on the planet at an inopportune time (like during the holidays) - but still give tech-savvy admins the ability to release the update (through WSUS/SMS/SCCM or by checking the box in WUapp)."


siljaline
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reply to uridium
My Win 7 machine updated this today -
»Re: Microsoft security bulletin for March 12 2013

Libra
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reply to uridium
This update was not checked on my three computers either. I checked it and so far all seems fine.

Sincerely, Libra


rcdailey
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reply to Oregonian
Well, maybe it was not installed with the first run on those computers, because I did have to run update a second time to get the IE10 update and there was one other item that was also installed at that time and I did not check to see whether that was the particular KB mentioned. However, I do believe all items were checked, just that IE10 and one other did not install with the first run. Anyway, as with all other posts, after two runs, everything was updated that could be.
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Oregonian
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You could go back to Windows Update and click on "View Update History" to see what update was installed along with IE 10.


rcdailey
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I may do that today. There were only 7 updates on those systems, so maybe that would have allowed it to be checked by default. IE10 had to be downloaded in a second run, and I think it was the platform that was installed at that time. It doesn't really matter, I guess, but something to watch for in future updates.
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XP7

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reply to uridium
I found what this update is all about:
»www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-r···b2807986


Oregonian
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Thanks.


rcdailey
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reply to rcdailey
I checked and it was KB2807986 that was installed along with the IE10 update. So, it was not installed on the first go-around.
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baess

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reply to XP7
said by XP7 :

I found what this update is all about:
»www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-r···b2807986

Again it begs the question if it is so important why is it not checked?

Another time this happened MS eventually rereleased the throttled update as checked but that was only after some cajoling by users like me. Other times they never changed anything, so in theory users could not be installing this "important" update.

SpHeRe31459
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said by baess:

said by XP7 :

I found what this update is all about:
»www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-r···b2807986

Again it begs the question if it is so important why is it not checked?

Another time this happened MS eventually rereleased the throttled update as checked but that was only after some cajoling by users like me. Other times they never changed anything, so in theory users could not be installing this "important" update.

Yep we'll have to see what happens. But that very behavior, when an update is never changed to be checked automatically, is one of the reasons why I end up doing patch management manually via RDP on a lot of computers at work.

stevadson

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reply to uridium
Perhaps it has something to do with this (from the KB article):

Known issues with this security update

In certain automated update deployment scenarios (such as from Windows Update or Microsoft Update), this update may not always install. This would also cause other pending updates not to install. For more information about this issue, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

2552343 Time-out error occurs when you install a Windows Update package that contains drivers on a computer that is running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2

This issue can occur with any windows update package that contains drivers on systems that do not have the critical non-sec GDR update 2552343 installed.

We recommend that you install update 2552343 before you deploy this security update.


Juggernaut
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reply to uridium
Mine was offered, and checked. So far, so good.

baess

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reply to stevadson
said by stevadson:

Perhaps it has something to do with this (from the KB article):

Known issues with this security update

In certain automated update deployment scenarios (such as from Windows Update or Microsoft Update), this update may not always install. This would also cause other pending updates not to install. For more information about this issue, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

2552343 Time-out error occurs when you install a Windows Update package that contains drivers on a computer that is running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2

This issue can occur with any windows update package that contains drivers on systems that do not have the critical non-sec GDR update 2552343 installed.

We recommend that you install update 2552343 before you deploy this security update.

I thought you might be on to something espcecially when the next poster reported he had KB2807986 checked. I thought maybe I had not installed KB2552343 and therefore WU would not check KB2807986 for installation but I have installed KB2552343 in July 2011 so that's not it.

So now the question is why KB2807986 would be checked for installation on some computers and not others?

baess

join:2011-01-28
Someone is reporting that as of March 22 KB2807986 is now being checked for installation. On both my systems it is still throttled (listed as Important but not checked).

Can anyone who previously had it throttled confirm if they now have it checked?


goalieskates
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said by baess:

Someone is reporting that as of March 22 KB2807986 is now being checked for installation. On both my systems it is still throttled (listed as Important but not checked).

Can anyone who previously had it throttled confirm if they now have it checked?

It came up for me yesterday on Win7 SP1, but it was still unchecked and I let it sit.