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BliZZardX
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reply to yyzlhr

Re: Toronto CityPlace internet options

That's especially true with Rogers, since even if they have FTTH they are delivering their product over DOCSIS. 320 Richmond St East has Bell 175/175, but Rogers, who are still selling services in the building (they didn't get blocked out) can't let you order anything better than Ultimate 150/10



LazMan
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reply to cityplaceUse

Problem with retrofitting old buildings is getting to the suite... Getting fibre into the main IT is no big deal... Even the risers are generally accessible; it's the last 100' that's the issue.

Bell did play with putting VDSL remotes in condo's, and using VDSL over existing copper to get to the suite - works, but fairly expensive way to go...

FIOS just said screw it, and ran surface mounted access fibre in the hallways of buildings they installed; much to the displeasure of building owners and tenants...

Anyways - getting away from the OP, so I'll shut up now...



FTTHTechie

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reply to BliZZardX

"They can connect old condos too, Pure Spirits in the Distillery District got lit up recently, and I believe they looking at a few other buildings on the eastern part of downtown."

Beanfield has a map for their Residential Services. If Pure Spirits was wired for FTTP/FTTB then it was part of their Beanfield Metroconnect Business division.

»www.beanfieldcondoconnect.com/ne···map.html

There is also a listing for their Commercial/Business wiring and which buildings are wired for FTTP/FTTB here:

»www.beanfield.com/onnet.html



BliZZardX
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It's a residential connection at 33 Mill St, the Condoconnect website hasn't been updated in ages and for the most part only contains info regarding their partnership with Waterfronttoronto, I think this happened outside of that. But if you look on the map, the area of Parliament & Front is there highlighted in purple.



FTTHTechie

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"It's a residential connection at 33 Mill St, the Condoconnect website hasn't been updated in ages and for the most part only contains info regarding their partnership with Waterfronttoronto, I think this happened outside of that. But if you look on the map, the area of Parliament & Front is there highlighted in purple."

Perhaps it's a residential connection. However the real question that should be asked is how many can afford to live in that part of downtown Toronto such as Cityplace and the Beanfield Connect Condo's. Especially considering that the minimum monthly rent payment I've seen for a Cityplace condo is roughly $1800 CAD. It's obviously an overinflated housing and condo market supplemented by the $86 Billion bailout in 2009 by the Harper government.

$60 Dollars with Beanfield connect is a great deal (compared to pricing of similar plans from Telus/Bell/Rogers) however compared to the price that Romanians, Lithuanians , South Koreans and others pay for FTTH of similar magnitude it's still a tad pricy.


yyzlhr

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Scarborough, ON
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Rent is definitely pretty high, but if you were to buy a condo, Cityplace is definitely one of the most affordable developments in the downtown area. Bachelor's and One bedroom condos can be bought in the 300k region, which is low for downtown Toronto standards.



BliZZardX
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People live where they can afford to live (unless they are frugal by choice). I've been downtown for over 6 years now and rents have always fluctuated between $2 and $3 per square foot, the upper end usually being "luxury" with things like like 24 hour security and squash courts or swimming pools.

If it appeases you at all Beanfield is installing fiber in the new TCHC public housing project in West Don Lands too: »www.torontohousing.ca/investing_···donlands

If you want a better price on housing you have to look outside the core in places like Parkdale or West Donlands. West Donlands is actually cheaper than City Place right now, the area had a bad reputation being right underneath Regent Park and all so these new developments need to prove themselves.



elwoodblues
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reply to yyzlhr

300K for a box in the sky that's probably sub 600 sqft

No thanks.


yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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said by elwoodblues:

300K for a box in the sky that's probably sub 600 sqft

No thanks.

That's the sacrifice you make for location.

Many would say no thanks to a 2000 sq. ft house for 300k that's an hour or more away from everything.


LazMan
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reply to elwoodblues

said by elwoodblues:

300K for a box in the sky that's probably sub 600 sqft

No thanks.

I agree; but a guy I work with thinks I'm nuts for my commute... It's a matter of opinion, I guess.

(For the record - I built a 1500 sq ft bungalow on a 1/3 acre in a small town this summer, just over an hour north of the city... About 350k - comparable to a 1 bedroom w/den at Cityplace, in the 700 sq ft range).

Oh, and I have 9' ceilings in my basement; so usable space is almost 3000 sq ft. And can park 2 cars in the garage, and 4 more in the drive...

My house in mid-town TO? 750 to a mil... I'll keep my drive; thanks.

LOL - my Rogers Internet, however, does lack; compared to what those glass skyboxes have available, though... You win some; you lose some...


BliZZardX
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It's a trade-off. One of my friends commutes from Oakville. They have a big house, but they need to roll out of bed before sunrise and catch the 5:40 GO train to be here for 7:00. Almost 3 hours per day wasted commuting. I spend maybe 20 or 30 minutes walking a day to and from home, no gas to buy, no stop-and-go traffic or train schedule to follow.
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elwoodblues
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I'm east Toronto proper, not a huge place by any means, but it's a house with a good sized backyard and driveway.

A buddy of mine (in that thread about prenup) bought a 1000sqft
"loft" downtown east for 660K. It's gorgeous but no thanks, I like my backyard and my grass and my trees and my garden and my neighbours......

It is about the commute too, I've been fortunate enough to work downtown or at least within an hour of biking away from work. Rode for 11yrs, year round.. people thought I was bloody nuts.

Blizzard absolutely, when I bought my place, my folks thought I was crazy, I could buy a "bigger" place in Brampton. In fact I did look around there. At the time I was working downtown, and we socialized a fair bit after work. There were 3 GO trains at the time going in each direction..

I passed on the entire idea.



LazMan
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reply to cityplaceUse

Dup



LazMan
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reply to cityplaceUse

Totally agree its a trade off. I like small town life; I like my space... The trade off is the commute.

I'm lucky enough to have a lot of flex in my shifts; I leave around 5:30, I'm in the office by 7, out the door at 2:30, home by 5.

I've lived in Toronto proper, there are very nice pockets; but more pricey then I want to spend... I did the Oakville 'thing' for a year, not to my taste, either. So I went back 'home' - north...

I did meet my wife when I lived in Oakville - took my 2 years to convince her to move north of 7...



FTTHTechie

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reply to cityplaceUse

"Rent is definitely pretty high, but if you were to buy a condo, Cityplace is definitely one of the most affordable developments in the downtown area. Bachelor's and One bedroom condos can be bought in the 300k region, which is low for downtown Toronto standards."

Buying a condominium is an option the only question is who has that kind of money lying around in this Economic depression. 300K isn't exactly 30K and you would need an excellent job in this flooded labor market to be able to maintain the upkeep and have disposable income.

Then comes the second concern which is the overinflated housing market. Canada hasn't experienced it's own version of the 2008 Subprime mortgage and housing bubble as the Americans to the south. If you were to buy a Condo how much ROI would you get as Location + Fiber Optic Internet doesn't account for the entirety of the ROI.

I'm not against it but with those kinds of costs you could move to Saskatchewan by 2017 and get Infinet with 260/60 for $149.95 or 80/30 in Maritime Provinces for $100 and both are unlimited (unlike Telus which is 300GB rumored to be unenforced)



BliZZardX
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If I could just uproot my life and go anywhere I would have done it by now. Umea/Lund/Malmoe have 1000/1000M for less than $150 CAD. But I don't know the language, I don't know the people, I don't know the employers, and the climate isn't exactly Bora Bora.

Bell has been installing fiber in every new construction site since last year and it's not just limited to cities. Buy a house built after 2012 in Woodstock or Kanata and chances are high it has fiber.

There was even a story a few weeks ago about a farming village in the UK that was fed up of hearing no one could offer them decent internet access so they grabbed shovels and did it themselves »www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21442348
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yyzlhr

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Scarborough, ON
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reply to FTTHTechie

said by FTTHTechie :

"Rent is definitely pretty high, but if you were to buy a condo, Cityplace is definitely one of the most affordable developments in the downtown area. Bachelor's and One bedroom condos can be bought in the 300k region, which is low for downtown Toronto standards."

Buying a condominium is an option the only question is who has that kind of money lying around in this Economic depression. 300K isn't exactly 30K and you would need an excellent job in this flooded labor market to be able to maintain the upkeep and have disposable income.

Then comes the second concern which is the overinflated housing market. Canada hasn't experienced it's own version of the 2008 Subprime mortgage and housing bubble as the Americans to the south. If you were to buy a Condo how much ROI would you get as Location + Fiber Optic Internet doesn't account for the entirety of the ROI.

I'm not against it but with those kinds of costs you could move to Saskatchewan by 2017 and get Infinet with 260/60 for $149.95 or 80/30 in Maritime Provinces for $100 and both are unlimited (unlike Telus which is 300GB rumored to be unenforced)

I don't know if you're from the GTA or not, but 300k is not considered high for any residential property in this region, regardless of whether you're downtown or in the suburbs of Toronto. If 300k is too much to swallow than it's a sign you should stick to renting.

I also personally know a lot of people who live in CityPlace. They're not rich by any means. Typically single middle class people who have lots of disposable income as they don't have any dependents to take care of, and some of them don't even have cars to maintain.


FTTHTechie

@axxent.ca
reply to BliZZardX

"If I could just uproot my life and go anywhere I would have done it by now. Umea/Lund/Malmoe have 1000/1000M for less than $150 CAD. But I don't know the language, I don't know the people, and I don't know the employers, and the climate isn't exactly Bora Bora.

Bell has been installing fiber in every new construction site since last year and it's not just limited to cities. Buy a house built after 2012 in Woodstock or Kanata and chances are high it has fiber."

I have a friend in Sweden as well and he has 100/100 Fiber Optic in his town and it's FTTH. He has the ability to get 200/200 and even 1000/100 for around $100+ but he says it isn't worth it as most uses won't take advantage of that bandwidth.

The problem is immigrating to Sweden. You will need to have some kind of relative or a family member or to be able to secure a job offer in Sweden. Considering the ongoing Economic depression in Europe the requirements are strict and the labor market is flooded.

I have been considering the same thing with moving to Sweden but unfortunately it's more difficult than it seems. Also they have different electricity voltages and use PAL. The weather and the conditions however are much better and the benefits and relaxed lifestyle is also a dream compared to Canada.

About Canadian FTTH deployment in Bell from the members broadband map it appears it's a slow deployment. I understand that it was started in 2012 however FTTN should have been finished by the 2000's with FTTH deployment finished by the 2010's. Since current FTTN deployment is 59% according to some sources and a target goal of 2015 for FTTN completion by 2015.
FTTH completion for GTA would likely be 2020's or end of this decade and I live in the GTA and my area isn't serviced by FTTN although I did notice what appears to be a FTTN roll-out perhaps recently with Bell trucks in the area.



Gone
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said by BliZZardX:

That's especially true with Rogers, since even if they have FTTH they are delivering their product over DOCSIS. 320 Richmond St East has Bell 175/175, but Rogers, who are still selling services in the building (they didn't get blocked out) can't let you order anything better than Ultimate 150/10

Cogeco does the exact same thing with all their FTTH installs. They install an adapter in your home to convert fibre into coax and everything they install, use and sell as far as services go is identical to what you would get if you were fed directly with coax rather than fibre. All sorts of new developments going into Thorold and Niagara Falls are all fibre fed by both Cogeco and Bell, but only Bell does anything special if you're fibre fed around here.


LazMan
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reply to cityplaceUse

Bell, TELUS and SaskTel no longer install copper in new developments... Everything is FTTH; and there is serious talk of overlaying fibre in meaningful portions of their legacy network...

But, it takes time and money... Fast forward 5 years, and things will be exceptionally interesting, IMO.



FiberToTheX
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"Bell, TELUS and SaskTel no longer install copper in new developments... Everything is FTTH; and there is serious talk of overlaying fibre in meaningful portions of their legacy network...

But, it takes time and money... Fast forward 5 years, and things will be exceptionally interesting, IMO."

Bell Aliant began FibreOp in 2010 and within 3 years managed to expand their coverage to the following areas:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FibreOP#Fi···ce_Areas
»www1.bellaliant.net/fibreop/map.html

Sasktel Coverage (Infinet Began in 2011) is as follows:

»www.sasktel.com/personal/infiNET···rage.pdf

»www.sasktel.com/personal/infiNET···rage.pdf

I think 5 years is an overly optimistic figure considering that Legacy copper will also have to be converted to Fiber Optic. Sasktel set a goal of 2011-2017 (6 Years) and some insiders believe they may not meet the Goal. Perhaps with Bell if they can invest the same as Bell Aliant ($500 Million +) and Prioritize FTTN/FTTH then 7-10 Years is more realistic.



Gone
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said by LazMan:

Bell, TELUS and SaskTel no longer install copper in new developments... Everything is FTTH; and there is serious talk of overlaying fibre in meaningful portions of their legacy network...

Bell (and I assume the cable companies too) will do copper in a new development if they are able to utilize the existing infrastructure from a neighbouring area. Still, there is an area in Thorold that is part of an existing development that has all been wired using fibre, and the new parts of Niagara Falls going in south of McLeod Road are all fibre too. The new areas north of Niagara Falls are all copper, though.

I'm trying to get an answer on Binbrook. That entire area exploded very recently but to the best of my knowledge it's all copper.

Walter Dnes

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said by elwoodblues:

said by yyzlhr:

Looks like Beanfield is offering IPTV and phone services as well. Will Bell and Rogers even bother laying their infrastructure in these buildings?

Sure they will, they'll bribe provide incentives to the building manager/condo board to make them exclusive.

An rental apartment block is run at the management's discretion. For a condo building, in Ontario, it's a lot easier to deal with the builder. Basically if a condo building has a cable/internet/phone deal, it's almost impossible to get rid of. If it doesn't have such a contract, it's almost impossible to put in place. IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer). Consult a real one if you're involved in a case. Here's a general outline...
•The Condominium Act is online at »www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut···19_e.htm
•Section 22 (1) »www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut···tm#s22s1 defines “telecommunications agreement”
•Section 22 (2) says that the board may make such an agreement with or without a by-law, ***BUT***...
•Section 22 (3) says

Notice required

(3) Subsections 97 (3), (4), (5) and (6) apply to an agreement described in subsection (2) as if it were a change in a service that a corporation provides to the owners. 1998, c. 19, s. 22 (3).


•Section 97 (3) »www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut···tm#s97s3 lists the required notice to be sent out to owners.
•Section 46 »www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statut···tm#s46s1 describes the procedure for owners of 15% (or more) of the suites to force a special meeting. If owners of 15% of units do not sign the request, the agreement goes through.
•If a special meeting is forced, the proposed by-law or board resolution is voted on at the special meeting.
•If the service change meets specific criteria for "substantial change" as per section 97 (6) then it requires approval of 2/3rd (i.e. 66 and 2/3rd per cent of *ALL* units (not just the ones that show up at the meeting)


FiberToTheX
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I've been looking more closely at the map provided here:

»maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&o···45fb884b

It seems that certain lofts are also serviced by Beanfield Condo Connect and they are offered even up to 250/250 (average 100/100) for $60 100/100 Unlimited FTTH. However the prices for these lofts are higher than that $300K figure quoted earlier.

I haven't checked all the prices for the Princess Street but the majority are also similarly high priced.

It seems that FTTH is also a luxury when other countries are decade's ahead in terms of FTTH deployment (Lithuania , Sweden , South Korea , Japan , Netherlands , USA , Romania , China and many others ...) which is saddening.