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Re: More router questions: Rooming house with 15 tenants

I'm aware of how good the N66U is but is only marginally better than everyone else's top offering (Linkysys, Netgear, Buffalo, etc). And those reviewing sites don't typically hook up 15 users concurrently and test out the performance. The issue isn't total routing throughput, it's routing that many connections at once. And then handling WLAN connections as well, the CPUs in all of these routers are all junk really, they aren't design to handle much load, which is why a lot suck at wireless performance when they're used as an all-in-one unit in houses.

Though I think the N66U will be perfect as the main router handling the internet connection, the switching & WLAN load should be carried off. Not to mention spread out WAPs will create consistent wireless range throughout the home.

Gotta remember Teddy Boom's acquaintance here is renting their home and presumably including internet access in the rent, so it's 15 other tenants sharing the connection and will be less understanding if internet goes down or is slow or wireless is poor.

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The thing was tested in that review up to something like 32k or 36k connections, so 15 users should be doable even if they're all torrenting (the default on most home routers until recently was 4096).

Failing that, the midrange Microtik stuff is definitely much faster, in the $400-600 range.
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Small businesses with 15-25 employees routinely utilize connections that are much slower than 150/10, so the internet connection itself shouldn't be an issue. If it does become one, they can get two 150/10 connections and setup two separate networks and split up the tenants between the two networks.

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150/15=10, which is a faster connection than most people have for a whole family. The speed is not an issue, properly managing it is. Particularly the upstream.
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150/10 is plenty for this application. It’s not about the bandwidth here. It’s all about deployment and management. Personally I would configure the system like this :

(internet)---> (cable modem*)---> (N66U**)---> (8/16 port Gigabit switch)---> (UniFi Ap’s#)---> client

*optional DSL for back-up/load balance
**Enabled: NAT, DHCP, Qos (loadbalance if applicable) Disabled: Wlan
#UniFi pro’s (dual band)

Some people may disagree with this: But I would go with UniFI Ap’s (or multiple on each floor) and avoid Ethernet connections in each room. It will save you a few bucks in installation and will help prevent unsecured routers from being connected to your network. The only downside is if the client has a VOIP device they will not be able to use it in their room. However if you have phone lines in each room back to a central location you can attach the VOIP devices to the network at your switch and be your own phone provider too.

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pfsense, monowall, whatever..

My experience shows that 99% of landlords will not like the idea of a separate computer running 24/7 because of increased electricity usage. Get something small business all-in-one from a reputable brand and forget it, otherwise get ready to be on that guy's speed dial list

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Will there be any issues with this being a residential account? Remember these are not family members. If these people are renting rooms from you, they are technically customers of yours I may be wrong but here in the states you should be using a business account.

You then might have to give up some speed for maybe guaranteed uptime, QOS, possibly prompter service, maybe better techs. Don't most ISP's have guaranteed speeds? Early evening is going to be the hard time. A cable setup almost always slows down then. Consistency is real important here. Who knows they may unlimited data on a tethered phone.

Are you advertising Internet connectivity or is it mentioned as a "by the way" type perk. If advertised, then you have certain responsibilities to your tenants to maintain the "plant" in good working order, which I would presume "certain" speeds, along with an agreed upon speed test site.

Just my two cents....

I don't see why you'd be required to have a business service. Those aren't about whether you own a business or not, its about getting better guarantee on quality & performance, even an SLA.

If its about reselling a service (which the person in question is not doing), I'm pretty sure it'd be a different conversation the ISP would want to have with you.

TekSavvy 200/40Mbps with 4x50/10 MLPPP

$480 one time purchase (4 x $120 VDSL modems)
$416.36 service fees (4x$84.99 DSL + 4x$4 MLPPP + 4x$9.10 dry loop + $20 14 IPv4 + $4 1 Extra IPv4)

Divided by 15 customers is only $27.76/month. That price for individual IPs, 13/2.66M guaranteed and 200/40M when available looks like an awesome deal to me. Charge $45 to make back your modem and router costs.

Just curious if every apartment has a phone line and Coax why not let the tenants order their own service from Bell/Rogers and figure out to share the service/cost by themselves?

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