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[DSL] 50/10 dslWho offers 50/10 dsl besides Bell? |
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 zacron
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zacron
Premium Member
2013-Mar-14 12:05 am
Man, you gotta relax.... it'll come soon. |
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Is that a no ISP you know of? |
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dgass
join:2007-09-27
Etobicoke, ON |
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said by TSI Marc:Just posted the 50/10 rates.
300 Gigs - $54.99
Unlimited - $84.99
TSI just listed the prices for 50/10 |
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON |
Roop
Member
2013-Mar-14 9:23 pm
i'd like to upgrade to 50/10 when it comes out but my line can barely handle it. i live within 500m (on foot) of the two remotes I know of around here. given that relative distance, i'm thinking very few people will qualify for this. i live in a suburb with remotes being established here for a couple years now.
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Extended Port Status
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Bme: 1 Port: 1
Downstream line rate: 28896 kbps
Upstream line rate: 8800 kbps
Bearer0 Downstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Downstream payload rate: 26928 kbps
Bearer0 Upstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Upstream payload rate: 8128 kbps
Downstream attainable payload rate: 49900 kbps
Downstream attainable line rate: 56272 kbps
Downstream Training Margin: 18.5 dB
Downstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Near-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb500494b4e530200
Far-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb5004244434da194
Downstream delay: 0.0 ms
Upstream delay: 0.0 ms
Tx total power 11.6 dbm
FE Tx total power 14.3 dbm
VDSL Estimated Loop Length : 1849 ft
G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length : 2299 ft
G.Hs Estimated Far End Loop Length :0 ft
Current framing mode: 0x10 EFM
Bandplan Type...........: 2
No. of Upstream Bands...: 2
No. of Downstream Bands.: 2
Line Type: 0x04000000 VDSL2 Profile 17A
Downstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Attenuation: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1.413)
Upstream SNR Margin: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1413)
Upstream Retransmission status: Disabled
Downstream Retransmission status: Disabled |
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 HiVolt
Premium Member
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON |
HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Mar-14 9:25 pm
said by Roop:i'd like to upgrade to 50/10 when it comes out but my line can barely handle it. i live within 500m (on foot) of the two remotes I know of around here. given that relative distance, i'm thinking very few people will qualify for this. i live in a suburb with remotes being established here for a couple years now.
Your line wont handle it, the actual sync (payload rate) is 53944/11320. Bell does have a few profiles in between, so you may be able to get something around 45-ish perhaps, while paying for 50. |
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Anon
2013-Mar-14 10:29 pm
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said by Roop:i'd like to upgrade to 50/10 when it comes out but my line can barely handle it. i live within 500m (on foot) of the two remotes I know of around here.
Does bell.ca say you can get 50/10? I'm wondering if bell is saying any line that can get over 25 qualifies for "up to" 50 or if the qualification tool is accurate for 50/10. |
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"Actual speeds will vary depending on the distance between the customer’s modem and switching equipment from Bell : min. 46 Mbps and max. 50 Mbps down speeds; Min. 9 Mbps and max.10 Mbps up speeds. |
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No they currently will Not give u it if your line cannot sync it. due to the 46/10 guarrentee |
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON |
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I just checked it with the phone number for the dryloop line, it says only up to 25/10 available on bell.ca |
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i'd rather 2x 25/10 mlppp, it's only about another $30/month after the price drops and the DSL modem purchases are on. |
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 GuspazGuspaz
MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC |
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Even assuming the modem purchase, assuming you have home phone, band B:
50/10: $59.99 plus tax
2x25/10: $44.99 + $44.99 + $4 + $9.10 = $103.08
$43.09 extra
The prices are different in Ontario, but the amount extra should work out the same. Although speaking as a ratio that makes the MLPPP option even more expensive relative to the 50 meg service... For Ontario, 2x25 costs almost twice as much as 1x50. |
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON |
Roop
Member
2013-Mar-15 10:51 am
or about $33.09 difference in Ontario (25mbit will be $5 cheaper x2) |
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GuspazGuspaz
MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC |
Guspaz
MVM
2013-Mar-15 11:06 am
Ontario difference:
50 meg: 54.99
25x2: 39.99*2 + 4 + 9.10 = 93.08
Difference: 38.09
There is little reason to pay so much more unless you want the larger upstream. |
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Or someone can only get 25/10 at their location. |
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON |
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reasons why:
upstrem is doubled
300gb is doubled to 600gb
geekiness factor increase exponentially
1500 byte mtu is an option again (fixes some IPsec speed issues)
50mbit not available here, even when it becomes, my line stats are not sufficient for it |
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 dataiv
join:2002-02-25
Ottawa, ON |
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Will I be able to get 50/10? From the info below, I guess so. Also what does the "G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length" mean? 87 feet seems kind of short.. particularly when compared to the estimated loop length?
Extended Port Status
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Bme: 1 Port: 1
Downstream line rate: 28896 kbps
Upstream line rate: 12224 kbps
Bearer0 Downstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Downstream payload rate: 26928 kbps
Bearer0 Upstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Upstream payload rate: 11328 kbps
Downstream attainable payload rate: 87212 kbps
Downstream attainable line rate: 98292 kbps
Downstream Training Margin: 26.2 dB
Downstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Near-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb500494b4e530200
Far-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb5004244434da194
Downstream delay: 0.0 ms
Upstream delay: 0.0 ms
Tx total power -2.6 dbm
FE Tx total power 14.0 dbm
VDSL Estimated Loop Length : 1151 ft
G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length : 87 ft
G.Hs Estimated Far End Loop Length :0 ft
Current framing mode: 0x10 EFM
Bandplan Type...........: 0
No. of Upstream Bands...: 3
No. of Downstream Bands.: 3
Line Type: 0x04000000 VDSL2 Profile 17A
Downstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Attenuation: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1.413)
Upstream SNR Margin: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1413)
Upstream Retransmission status: Disabled
Downstream Retransmission status: Disabled |
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HiVolt
Premium Member
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON |
HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Mar-15 1:27 pm
said by dataiv:Will I be able to get 50/10? From the info below, I guess so. Also what does the "G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length" mean? 87 feet seems kind of short.. particularly when compared to the estimated loop length?
You can get it no problem with those stats. Also you're already on a 7330 remote which means you'll be able to use a modem other than the sagemcom or cellpipe. |
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 SimplePandaBSD
Premium Member
join:2003-09-22
Montreal, QC |
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you should be able to get 50/10 no problem.
The VDSL Estimated Loop Length : 1151 ft is what you're really looking at. That's about 350 meters - easily will handle the 50Mbps service.
It does actually estimate the downstream attainable for you:
Downstream attainable payload rate: 87212 kbps
Downstream attainable line rate: 98292 kbps
85 Mbps attainable downstream rate. |
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Hmmm 2x 50 MLPPP possible? I think I might try that if it can be done. |
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SimplePandaBSD
Premium Member
join:2003-09-22
Montreal, QC |
said by cruisx:Hmmm 2x 50 MLPPP possible? I think I might try that if it can be done.
It's possible but you'd need a router that handled MLPPP with enough CPU power to handle 50/20. Also, the MLPPP setup has some downsides. Lower MTU and packet loss problems, as well as the loss of your link status if a single link fails. If it's available to you the 150/10 cable service is a better bet. |
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cruisx
Member
2013-Mar-15 4:06 pm
Im in cogeco land ='( Hmm I was thinking about using pfsense. Or maybe just grab a 50/10 DSL line with my existing 60/2 cable and use connectify hotspot. Currently using it with a 14Mbps wimax type connection and 60/2 start. But I dont know how reliable this is as I havent used it for extended periods.  |
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON |
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What part of the output did you base the 7330 on? |
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HiVolt
Premium Member
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON |
HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Mar-15 5:33 pm
said by Roop:What part of the output did you base the 7330 on?
Line Type: 0x04000000 VDSL2 Profile 17A The Lucent Stingers are limited to Profile 12A. The 7330's can do 17A and possibly higher. 12A is limited to 68mbps, while 17A is 100mbps. |
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said by dataiv:Will I be able to get 50/10? From the info below, I guess so. Also what does the "G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length" mean? 87 feet seems kind of short.. particularly when compared to the estimated loop length?
Extended Port Status
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Bme: 1 Port: 1
Downstream line rate: 28896 kbps
Upstream line rate: 12224 kbps
Bearer0 Downstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Downstream payload rate: 26928 kbps
Bearer0 Upstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Upstream payload rate: 11328 kbps
Downstream attainable payload rate: 87212 kbps
Downstream attainable line rate: 98292 kbps
Downstream Training Margin: 26.2 dB
Downstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Near-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb500494b4e530200
Far-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb5004244434da194
Downstream delay: 0.0 ms
Upstream delay: 0.0 ms
Tx total power -2.6 dbm
FE Tx total power 14.0 dbm
VDSL Estimated Loop Length : 1151 ft
G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length : 87 ft
G.Hs Estimated Far End Loop Length :0 ft
Current framing mode: 0x10 EFM
Bandplan Type...........: 0
No. of Upstream Bands...: 3
No. of Downstream Bands.: 3
Line Type: 0x04000000 VDSL2 Profile 17A
Downstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Attenuation: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1.413)
Upstream SNR Margin: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1413)
Upstream Retransmission status: Disabled
Downstream Retransmission status: Disabled
Hello, Can you please tell my how you found this information? Did you use a program? Bell.ca website says I can only qualify for the 25 mbps but when I called Bell, the rep told me that I can get 50 mbps only if i order fibe tv with it. Don't know if what she told me is accurate. Thanks |
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Technicolor TC4350
Asus RT-AC56
Grandstream HandyTone 702/704
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said by samsonite25:Hello,
Can you please tell my how you found this information? Did you use a program?
Bell.ca website says I can only qualify for the 25 mbps but when I called Bell, the rep told me that I can get 50 mbps only if i order fibe tv with it.
Don't know if what she told me is accurate.
Thanks
Those are stats from a vdsl modem. You have to have the service. I would phone TekSavvy and ask them if you can get 50/10. |
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON |
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Ty for the tip.
On a fairly unrelated note, I provided that output to teksavvy and they increased my line from 7mb to 10mb in less than 24 hours. for those of you wanting to get those stats from a sagemcom modem, google 'superikanos'. |
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Technicolor TC4350
Asus RT-AC56
Grandstream HandyTone 702/704
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said by Roop:Ty for the tip.
On a fairly unrelated note, I provided that output to teksavvy and they increased my line from 7mb to 10mb in less than 24 hours. for those of you wanting to get those stats from a sagemcom modem, google 'superikanos'.
Is that 10mps upload? |
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