| Of Course 4G data travels up to 10x faster than 3G. I would like to see a ratio of 3G:4G subscribers. I have to admit, Verizon LTE is pretty damn awesome. |
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| Awesome if you are within range of the 4g tower. Not so awesome if the tower is 50+ miles away. |
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| Yea, LOL. 700MHz penetrates well, but when you are that far away you have to take into account the curvature of the earth. Hopefully Verizon will have their entire 3G footprint covered with 4G by the end of this year. |
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Camden, TN | reply to Bootloader
said by Bootloader :Awesome if you are within range of the 4g tower. Not so awesome if the tower is 50+ miles away.
Where do you live that you're 50 miles away form a cell phone tower? |
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said by wkm001:4G data travels up to 10x faster than 3G. I would like to see a ratio of 3G:4G subscribers. I have to admit, Verizon LTE is pretty damn awesome.
observing people i know i woudl actually not be surprised if many of the heaviest consumers of data are actually on 3G, the reason being grandfathered unlimited plans. data cap size has more to do with usage level than peak speed.
also in most areas of the country verizons 3G is so good that lots of people would not notice a difference. |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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It's not that there aren't lots of places 50 miles from a cell tower, but it would be pretty optimistic to believe you'd have reliable service from a tower 50 miles away. |
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said by Bootloader :Awesome if you are within range of the 4g tower. Not so awesome if the tower is 50+ miles away.
They're getting there. They lit up 4G LTE near me last month which is surprising because I never expected them to get all the way out here so fast. |
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Onion, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to wkm001
how many LTE devices do they have? How many LTE subscribers do they have?
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I have unlimited grandfathered data on 3 of my 5 devices and its 4g. |
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Woodbridge, VA
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said by anondownload :said by wkm001:4G data travels up to 10x faster than 3G. I would like to see a ratio of 3G:4G subscribers. I have to admit, Verizon LTE is pretty damn awesome.
observing people i know i woudl actually not be surprised if many of the heaviest consumers of data are actually on 3G, the reason being grandfathered unlimited plans. data cap size has more to do with usage level than peak speed. also in most areas of the country verizons 3G is so good that lots of people would not notice a difference. I'm grandfathered on unlimited with my ReZound phone. Probably around 90% of the time I have a 4G connection here in the DC area. |
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Springfield, MA
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said by Bootloader :Awesome if you are within range of the 4g tower. Not so awesome if the tower is 50+ miles away.
I don't think a cell tower could reach 50 miles. Cell towers can only put out the same amount of power that the cell phone itself can transmit or otherwise the cell phone could hear the tower but not talk back.
The reason TV transmitters have a range of 50 plus miles is they only need to transmit the signals to the TV sets themselves as they are receive only devices. Cell phones are two way (receive + transmit) device.
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| said by IowaCowboy:I don't think a cell tower could reach 50 miles. Cell towers can only put out the same amount of power that the cell phone itself can transmit or otherwise the cell phone could hear the tower but not talk back. I'm sorry, but this statement is incorrect. The radios at the cell site transmit at much higher power levels than the mobile devices, and also transmit through much higher gain antennas. The cumulative effect is transmit power at the cell site antennas that is many orders of magnitude stronger than the most powerful mobile device in existence. I know this as fact, as I manage a team of Radio Access Network engineers for one of the two biggest cellular carriers (guess which one!). Prior to that, I was a RAN engineer myself. In other words, I have first-hand knowledge of this subject. |
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| said by gwhall007:said by IowaCowboy:I don't think a cell tower could reach 50 miles. Cell towers can only put out the same amount of power that the cell phone itself can transmit or otherwise the cell phone could hear the tower but not talk back. I'm sorry, but this statement is incorrect. The radios at the cell site transmit at much higher power levels than the mobile devices, and also transmit through much higher gain antennas. The cumulative effect is transmit power at the cell site antennas that is many orders of magnitude stronger than the most powerful mobile device in existence. I know this as fact, as I manage a team of Radio Access Network engineers for one of the two biggest cellular carriers (guess which one!). Prior to that, I was a RAN engineer myself. In other words, I have first-hand knowledge of this subject. If that is true, then how can the cell phone talk back to the tower. It would be like "I can hear you now" but you can't hear me.
Here the cell towers are about 2-3 miles apart and some areas have poor reception. Some buildings (like Tower Square in downtown Springfield) have cell towers on the roof or nearby and have spotty reception inside.
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1 edit | It works because the mobile device and the cell tower transmit at different frequencies, so they can each transmit and receive at the same time. This is also the reason both parties on a call can speak at the same time.
Signal strength varies due to many factors - antenna height, antenna placement, antenna type, radio transmit power (which varies by both technology and vendor, amongst other reasons), number of active connections, building materials (steel buildings block much more signal than wood, for instance), frequency band being used (the PCS 1900 and AWS 2100 bands penetrate and propagate much less than the Cellular 850 and LTE 700 bands), etc. |
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1 edit | said by gwhall007:It works because the mobile device and the cell tower transmit at different frequencies, so they can each transmit and receive at the same time. This is also the reason both parties on a call can speak at the same time.
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| Yes, why do you ask? Do you not agree with what I wrote? |
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kudos:1 | what you wrote is technically correct, that send/receive are different frequencies. But this has nothing to do with the topic, that tower ranges are basically limited to the ability to receive the lower powered mobile unit signal.
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kudos:1 | and I'm not an electronics engineer, but my understanding of CDMA is that is spreads the signal over multiple frequencies. I would assume that GSM does similar things.
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| Ah, you are correct. I reread Iowacowboy's post I replied to originally and realize now that I misunderstood what he had written. My engineer mind over-thought his statement, as it sometimes does. Sorry! |
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