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dballing

join:2013-03-14

[TWC] DDW3611 DHCP Server Question

I just got an install for TWC Biz, with an Ubee DDW3611.

The router seems to know about both my public IP space (5 IPs) and the private IP space I define inside the modem.

What I want to do is configure it so that some devices (especially NAT-sensitive gear for example) will connect and be given DHCP static leases for public IPs, and everything else that I don't specifically configure for such will get one of the private IPs.

My first "challenge" was that hosts were essentially getting randomly assigned IPs (which, yes, I know is how DHCP works), but some hosts were getting internal IPs and some were getting public IPs, and for THAT aspect to be random was extremely sub-optimal. I found that if I put the public IPs in the "DHCP Static Lease" fields, even if I didn't "Enable" them, it would stop assigning them to DHCP clients.

BUT, if I had a device that I *did* want to give one of those IPs to, and put its MAC address in there, and enabled it, then it wouldn't actually work.

What am I doing wrong? It *seems* at face value that the DHCP server can/does hand out valid client-configs for both public and private IPs, but if I try to specify the public IPs as a DHCP Static Lease it fails horribly.

Am I missing something?

Fleeced

join:2012-10-06
kudos:2

Realistically, the easiest way to do this is to bridge the modem. That way each port gets a separate public IP (as they're all internal right now) and passthrough the fifth to a MAC address via your 3rd party router.



Jabbu
Premium
join:2002-03-06

reply to dballing
Are you paying for 5 statics or wifi with TWC?

You mention router, dhcp server, and modem... You are just using the 3611 right?


dballing

join:2013-03-14

Yes, I'm paying for 5-statics/WiFi.

The DDW3611 is, in fact, all of those things, right? Sorry if I confused matters by using different terms for various aspects of the same box.

But yes, I am (in this case) using ONLY the DDW3611 in its "off the shelf" configuration (well, OTS for the bits that matter, I tweaked WHICH 192.168.XXX subnet I'd be using for private IPs, and I set the WiFi up so it would actually get me my full 50x5 bandwidth).



Jabbu
Premium
join:2002-03-06

reply to dballing
If you are paying for statics and WIFI I believe the modem will have the statics available for any host, the host needs to be config'd for the static. The wifi will add advanced gateway services, so the modem will act as a router and hand out 192's to any PC set to dhcp.

Are you seeing a pattern with wifi hosts vs wired?


dballing

join:2013-03-14

No, it's really seemingly random.

It's happily handing 192 addresses to hosts on both WiFi and Wired, and the same with the public IPs. (at least right up until I put the dummy "Static DHCP Leases" in the config, which convinced it not to hand them out any more).



Jabbu
Premium
join:2002-03-06

reply to dballing
If your paying for statics, and the modem has been scripted for the statics, there is no way the modem will hand out a public ip or one of the statics to any host config'd with dhcp.

Something just doesn't sound right.


dballing

join:2013-03-14

It happily was. In fact the DHCP server config in the Ubee even specifically knows about both sets of IPs:

»www.megacity.org/scrap/ubeepubpriv.png



DrDrew
So that others may surf.

join:2009-01-28
SoCal
kudos:8

reply to dballing

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When you were putting the public IPs and MAC in the "DHCP Static Lease" fields, did you force a release/renew on the device getting the static assignment?

Did those public IPs show assigned or available?


Jabbu
Premium
join:2002-03-06

reply to dballing
184's are not static IPs, they are used for the private IPs to be translated into a public IP.

Anything that was pulling a 184. was a dhcp host on your network, until you assigned the a static to that host.


dballing

join:2013-03-14

reply to DrDrew
So, amusingly, I tried using the DHCP Static Leases to actually "meet my needs" and here's what happens:

- If I put a MAC Address/Public-IP combo in there, the devices will simply fail on their next renewal. Unfortunately, I don't have any good DHCP client logging to see the interexchange to see what part of the process is falling over.

- If I put a Public-IP in there, with the default 00:00:00:00:00:00 MAC address, EVEN IF I don't have it "Active", the DDW will not assign that IP address to a DHCP client.

Jabbu: the 184-net IPs *are* my "static" (aka public) IPs assigned by TWC. Yes, clients on my net were DHCP'ing and getting 184-net IP addresses, until/unless I statically assigned that 184-net IP address to some host.

The problem comes from having a number of devices I don't *want* to get assigned a 184-net address (I want my printer, for example, to be sitting in 1918-space, not hanging on a public IP), and having a number of devices I specifically *want* to be getting a public IP (a VOIP phone, for example).

The DHCP server built into the DDW will happily hand out a 184-net address to a DHCP client, we'll call it "randomly", but if I use the DHCP Static Leases to try and force it to give a certain 184-net address to a certain MAC-addressed client, it fails to do so in a functional manner.



DrDrew
So that others may surf.

join:2009-01-28
SoCal
kudos:8

Since you have 5 static IPs, assign them statically on the devices that need them. You might want to put them in the DDW just so it doesn't try to hand them out to dynamic DHCP clients, although if it pings IPs before handing them out like many DHCP servers are configured to do, it shouldn't hand them out if they're statically configured on active devices.
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Jabbu
Premium
join:2002-03-06

reply to dballing
What state are you in? The whole east region does not have one account with a static IP of 184.

These have always been dynamic IPs for TWC BC.


dballing

join:2013-03-14

reply to DrDrew

said by DrDrew:

Since you have 5 static IPs, assign them statically on the devices that need them. You might want to put them in the DDW just so it doesn't try to hand them out to dynamic DHCP clients, although if it pings IPs before handing them out like many DHCP servers are configured to do, it shouldn't hand them out if they're statically configured on active devices.

Well, it *seemed* like it was capable of handing them out via DHCP, which makes configuration of appliance devices like VOIP phones a whole lot easier.

But it seems that's not actually the case.

dballing

join:2013-03-14

reply to Jabbu

said by Jabbu:

What state are you in? The whole east region does not have one account with a static IP of 184.

These have always been dynamic IPs for TWC BC.

I'm in NY, on TWC BC. And they are very definitely my static IP addresses. The tech specifically told me they were my static IP addresses, that's how they're "working", and when I call into the customer-support folks, they understand them to be my static IPs.


Jabbu
Premium
join:2002-03-06

Your right, I can't recall ever seeing a modem scripted with statics hand one out to a dhcp host, but I also can't recall being in any network without a router with statics.


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