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Re: Won't be a market for it They won't be able to do it until there is demand for it. There won't be demand for it because you need churn in the hardware. 4K will not be cheaper than 1080P just like 1080P still isn't cheaper than the 720P sets.
Eventually 4K will be popular but not for a very long time. |
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| said by skeechan:They won't be able to do it until there is demand for it. There won't be demand for it because you need churn in the hardware. 4K will not be cheaper than 1080P just like 1080P still isn't cheaper than the 720P sets.
Eventually 4K will be popular but not for a very long time. You say 3D never took off yet many entries level TV's now come with it. If there is no demand, why are they so cheap? My father bought a 55'' 3D LG TV a week ago at 799, and that the normal price.
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| 3D isn't the driver of HDTV demand. People buy that LG set because it is 55 inches for 800 bucks. If 3D was the demand driver you would see WAY more 3D content. 3D was all hype and ooh and ahh, but it is a failure in the marketplace. The market simply doesn't care about 3D.
HDTVs are cheap because they are produced in very high volume and it took nearly 20 years of HDTV sales to get to this place.
There are always exceptions. There will be 3 people who buy 4K now just as you are an exception that replaces a working TV. But the market in general doesn't replace near new working appliances and to get 4K anywhere near as cheap as current HDTV's you would need that to happen.
4K will always be more expensive than 1080P just as 1080P is more expensive than 720P sets.
That isn't to say 4K won't eventually be popular...it just won't happen any time in the near future. It will be years and years and years away. |
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2 edits | That is fine if a 4K TV were as cheap as an iPad. Point one out to me that is and I'll buy one. I was eyeballing a 4K TV and it was 5X the price of the previous poster's new LG.
The market will ignore 4K just as it ignored 3D and D-VHS. |
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| said by skeechan:That is fine if a 4K TV were as cheap as an iPad. Point one out to me that is and I'll buy one. I was eyeballing a 4K TV and it was 5X the price of the previous poster's new LG.
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 openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | reply to hitachi369 said by hitachi369:You say 3D never took off yet many entries level TV's now come with it. If there is no demand, why are they so cheap? Manufacturers are dumping inventory. If 3D was all that, the monitors would be priced more that $799. |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20 | reply to skeechan The assumption that Netflix can't do 4K until everybody has a 4K TV is flawed. This is true perhaps for optical, where putting out a 4k bluray would be pointless if not enough people had he hardware to play it (and so buy it), but as a streaming platform that doesn't apply to Netflix. It will already automatically scale to the best bitrate and resolution supported by the target platform, and the same will happen here. Super HD didn't mean that users with 5 meg DSL couldn't keep watching stuff in HD, it just meant they didn't get any benefit out of it.
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| Oh sure they can...it's just no one will use it. They'll pay licensing for content no one is interested in.
4K is simply not compelling enough for people to give up their current sets. Netflix may very well do it, just as TV makers advertise 3D all over the place, but 4K won't be a demand driver for Netflix just as 3D isn't a demand driver for HDTVs (price and size are).
From a marketing perspective, no one is going to sign up for Netflix to get 4K, not enough to make the effort worth it anyway. Why? Those people will already be a subscribers whether 4K is there or not. |
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 Netbum join:2002-04-08 Oakley, CA | reply to skeechan Well,I'm looking for 4K capability in my upcoming sets.( In the market for 2) so...at least capability to do Ultra.They're even working on 8K. Japan will start broadcasting in 4K next year.  |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | reply to skeechan said by skeechan: The market simply doesn't care about 3D.. 1. Glasses 2. Dizziness 3. Nausea - 3d will never be anything other than a fad. -- Despises any post with strings. |
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 C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium join:2001-10-03 Tempe, AZ | said by dvd536:said by skeechan: The market simply doesn't care about 3D.. 1. Glasses 2. Dizziness 3. Nausea - 3d will never be anything other than a fad. It's sad that the 3D effect in the 3DS doesn't bug me much at all but the glasses one does.
That and even on the glasses-based 3D, there's two different ways... one which requires expensive, powered glasses but gives you a full resolution's worth per eye, or the kind that can use cheaper glasses, but causes some bad interlacing on text or any smaller details. 
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 Subaru1-3-2-4Premium join:2001-05-31 Greenwich, CT | said by C0deZer0:said by dvd536:said by skeechan: The market simply doesn't care about 3D.. 1. Glasses 2. Dizziness 3. Nausea - 3d will never be anything other than a fad. It's sad that the 3D effect in the 3DS doesn't bug me much at all but the glasses one does. That and even on the glasses-based 3D, there's two different ways... one which requires expensive, powered glasses but gives you a full resolution's worth per eye, or the kind that can use cheaper glasses, but causes some bad interlacing on text or any smaller details.  So yea, the handheld console seems to 'get' a proper 3D effect better than the big-arsed tv's that these companies want to sell so badly. Active glasses you are talking about -- It's NOT Ni-kon It's NE-KON!
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