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pende_tim
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Well Water Black Metal Question

I just got back from a friends house where I went to look at "metal" in their well water.

They have a well that is about 130' deep, with a submersible pump. The well is about 20 years old and is the original pump. There is casing from the ground to I assume 30-50' below grade. The well is drilled in shale as far as Rich could recall.

What I saw was really amazing. There was a lot, of black metallic magnetic particles in most of the sinks and blocking the aerators. The size was like fine sand but 100% stuck to a magnet so it was not sand.

My first thought was the pump was failing but when it ran there was no noise I could hear coming from the black plastic pipe that outside to the well casing like a rotor rubbing or a bearing failing. From the quantity of material I saw just today, the pump would be long gone if it were from that.

The pump is 220 Volts and pulled 6.3A while running and I saw no spikes in the current indicating something seizing.

Another strange thing: the black metallic particles laying in the sinks do not rust even after 4-5 days and are not shiny when first seen in a catch cup.

I do not know if the pump is hanging on plastic or galvanized pipe.

Any Ideas what the source may be? Anyone ever seen something like this?
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Sulfur that comes from wells is black. It is produced from sulfur compounds in the water by bacteria. There should also be an associated smell if the problem is sulfur.

The metallic anode in the hot water heater can increase the production of the black sulfur. A powered anode can be used to protect the tank without contributing to the sulfur. Something like this can do wonders: »www.discountwatersofteners.com/t···oot.html

Maybe there is a mix of sulfur and iron that is black yet magnetic.


Zach 58
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Sounds a bit like manganese. Usually it's in solution and leaves behind black staining on fixtures but a little searching reveals it can exist in particulate form and is paramagnetic. I would have the water tested.
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pende_tim
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reply to StillLearn
This is in the cold water, so I doubt it would be from the hot water heater.

Also no sulfurous smell in hot or cold.
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Thane_Bitter

join:2005-01-20
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Could be Magnetite: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite

Its common stuff, walk along any beach around the great lakes and you will find bands of it (as black sand streaks).


robbin
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Interestingly Magnetite is called Black Rust. Found this which I thought interesting from a reputable source

"Q. What is magnetite?

A. Magnetite is fully oxidized iron ore (FE3O4). It is completely inert; it cannot rust; it doesn’t degrade with time or usage; it has no effect on biological floc; and it is not magnetic itself; i.e., it doesn’t stick to metal. If you have ever played with an “Etch-a-Sketch,” the material inside the toy is magnetite."

»www.water.siemens.com/en/product···aqs.aspx



pende_tim
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Very interesting. I never knew about these things possibly being in water.

It is making sense now that it could be something from the ground water as friend did mention that his neighbor has same problem and put a whole house filter in to solve the problem.

We initially discounted this as my friends well is 130' and his neighbor's is 600' so would think that it would be in a different pool of water. But I guess they could be in the same aquifer.
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StillLearn
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said by robbin:

If you have ever played with an “Etch-a-Sketch,” the material inside the toy is magnetite."

»www.water.siemens.com/en/product···aqs.aspx

Siemens is wrong. The material that sticks to the screen of any Etch-a-Sketch that I have touched is aluminum powder.

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From your description I tend to agree with others here it is magnetite. Certainly not any form of sulfur.

When I used to help a brother-in-law (owns his own residential well business) some installations had a lot of fine sand in their water. He would use a centrifugal well filter something like this;

»www.cleanwaterstore.com/centrifu···ors.html

I'm guessing it would work in your situation depending on the granular sizes.


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I have one of them, but it didn't really work on my fine silt - I ended up having to filter anyway.



pende_tim
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said by Zach 58:

Sounds a bit like manganese. Usually it's in solution and leaves behind black staining on fixtures but a little searching reveals it can exist in particulate form and is paramagnetic. I would have the water tested.

I will ask them to have the water tested. There does not seem to be any black stains on the fixtures, tub or sinks.
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robbin
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If this has just recently started, then I will make a guess that it is as a result of drought and lower than usual water level in the well. It's starting to draw from the lower part of the well which may have never been used before. Experience here, my well has gone dry the last three summers and many neighbors have either gone dry or gotten really low. When they get lower than they have historically they start pumping stuff up that they normally don't. Just googled and it looks like there has been drought in your area recently and probably still is.


Pher9999

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Carmel, NY

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Do they not have a whole house filter where the pipe comes in? It should be catching all that. We use a basic paper filter.



pende_tim
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No filter, but I see installing one for them in my future. LOL.


linus5171

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Cape Girardeau, MO

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I have that in my well also, it's magnesium and gets in the aerators. If that's what it is then it's nothing to worry about, we've been drinking it for 30 years. We have to clean out the faucets several times a year.


robbin
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I don't believe that magnesium is attracted to magnets.



pende_tim
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I did not know magnesium was magnetic and could be picked up with a magnet. One of the prior posters said it could be manganese as that could be magnetic.

Yes this stuff is blocking the aerators like yours. Can it be picked up with a magnet?
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robbin
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I think your terminology is a little off. If an object is magnetic, then it attracts ferrous and some other metals. In other words, if it is magnetic then it is a magnet.



pende_tim
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Actually can attract and be attreacted.....

mag·net·ic  (mg-ntk)
adj.
1.
a. Of or relating to magnetism or magnets.
b. Having the properties of a magnet.
c. Capable of being magnetized or attracted by a magnet.
d. Operating by means of magnetism: a magnetic recorder.
2. Relating to the magnetic poles of the earth: a magnetic compass bearing.
3. Having an unusual power or ability to attract: a magnetic personality.
mag·neti·cal·ly adv.
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Doctor Olds
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reply to StillLearn

said by StillLearn:

said by robbin:

If you have ever played with an “Etch-a-Sketch,” the material inside the toy is magnetite."

»www.water.siemens.com/en/product···aqs.aspx

Siemens is wrong. The material that sticks to the screen of any Etch-a-Sketch that I have touched is aluminum powder.

Yes, they are wrong.

»www.popsci.com/diy/article/2004-···ach-sand
quote:
aluminum powder, which I buy commercially.
(Incidentally, it's also the stuff that creates the image inside
an Etch A Sketch.)
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