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StuartMW
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Re: Google Glass: The opposition grows

said by KrK:

If you're doing something that will be 1) Embarrassing or incriminating and 2) is interesting enough to be posted on YouTube,

The trouble with that is that it's in the eye of the beholder.

Here's an example for ya. A woman is crossing the road, or whatever, on a windy day. A gust of wind raises her skirt. Seconds later it's on EweToob. Her fault?

That worked for Marlyn Monroe but then she wanted the publicity.


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goalieskates
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said by KrK:

If you're doing something that will be 1) Embarrassing or incriminating and 2) is interesting enough to be posted on YouTube,

then perhaps you should ask yourself if you should be carrying out that type of behavior in public (or period).

Oh no you don't. This blame-the-victim mentality has to stop.

Or have you forgotten all the pervs who shoot women in restrooms, or up their skirts, etc? Just as one example. Paparazzi would be another.

It's every bit as likely the people with the cameras are the ones with behavior issues or downright creeps, and these glasses enable them.


KrK
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Will it potentially be abused? Yes, but there are laws for that.

It's not a blame the victim mentality either.

You can't stop progress by claiming it could be abused, or that it enables misuse or law breaking. If that was the case, the we'd have to ban the Internet, computers, guns, etc etc because criminals and pervs are "enabled" by these devices and technology to carry out their activities.

As for upskirts using Google Glasses.... huh. Just huh.

Do you thing people having CarDVR's and then posting a vehicle causing the the accident somehow is an invasion of their privacy? Who's the victim you wish to blame? The guy who's bad driving caused the crash, or the guy he collided with?

All these things are tools, nothing more.
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StuartMW
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said by KrK:

Will it potentially be abused? Yes, but there are laws for that.

Well the law is often behind technology.

I'm not for banning this or any other technology. I am however for awareness and social pressure. If some people use Google Glass in an inappropriate way and find their $1,500 purchase in small pieces then so be it. In extreme cases the wearers may require some reassembly.
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KrK
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Don't get sued.



StuartMW
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Reminds me of a somewhat related story.

Some years ago I had trouble with a local teenager trespassing on my property (my place was between his and his friends--shortest distance ya see). I caught him numerous times and asked him to stop. It didn't make a difference. I called the police only to be told that law enforcement had to personally observe the behavior before they'd do anything.

One day he did it right in front of me. Didn't give a sh*t. So I went to his house and asked to see his Mom (no Dad). Kid almost started crying "I'll never do it again! I promise!". Seems fear of his mom was greater than anything I could do.
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Hmm. Maybe we need Federal registration of all Google Glass purchasers, local Google Glass user permits, and the watermarking of all images created by the glasses. That oughta do it...
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said by goalieskates:

Oh no you don't. This blame-the-victim mentality has to stop.

I too am a victim, so don't blame me!
No one has the right to observe, photograph, film or in any other way create or preserve a record of my public space activity without my express prior consent.
When that anti-surveillance drone technology gets scaled down for personal use, sign me up!


StuartMW
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That's the solution

Every pair of Google Glasses come with a "morality drone". Do anything unacceptable and *zap*, 10kV to the head


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said by Blackbird:

...and the watermarking of all images created by the glasses.

I'd be totally surprised if a digital watermark isn't already in place.
I can't say with 100% certainty that that they do but IMO it's 99+% certain.


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I can record anything if I have clothes or a purse to put the smart phone or camera in. And if people can record from their shoe...

This is like closing the barn door after the horses have escaped.

I can and do object to being recorded at any time, without my express written permission ahead of time, by any device. But that doesn't make google glass bad itself. I'm probably recorded anytime I'm out of my house.
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Mike
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reply to StuartMW

If you're in public, you forfeit privacy. Expect to be recorded.

Solves that.



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said by Mike:

If you're in public, you forfeit privacy. Expect to be recorded.

In every discussion there's always the person that will not confuse personal preferences or bias with fact.
Damn thread killers they are

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said by Mike:

If you're in public, you forfeit privacy. Expect to be recorded.

Solves that.

that is generally how I see the world. The moment that garage door opens or I step out the front door I know privacy no longer exists.

I bet the MPAA is just going to love advancements in augmented reality tech.... Once this stuff fits neatly into a normal set of everyday glasses and can film in 1080p.... hello HD cam jobs that cannot be seen by an usher.
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reply to StuartMW

quote:
If some people use Google Glass in an inappropriate way and find their $1,500 purchase in small pieces then so be it. In extreme cases the wearers may require some reassembly.
So what is inappropriate outside of obvious things like up-skirt shots, changing room video, porn videos made without your approval (although I would suspect any women wearing glasses well screwing might be up to something unless that is your kink)?

Will you attack someone who takes video of you when you are on public property or out in public? Will you break their glasses then find out they had no camera and your paranoia cost you some money and jail time?
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goalieskates
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said by Mike:

If you're in public, you forfeit privacy. Expect to be recorded.

Solves that.

No.

Up until recently any photograph that was sold for commercial purposes was required to have model releases from anyone recognizable in photographs before it could be published. The exception was photography for news purposes, with those purposes clearly defined. Those laws are still on the books.

YouTube isn't automatically a news venue. Embarrassing strangers isn't automatically newsworthy. The public doesn't exist for the pleasure and use of stupid people with tech toys. As long as people are minding their own business in public, they haven't given up any rights. And while a person has the right to give up their own privacy, they'd don't have the right to take away someone else's.


Mike
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So when someone takes a photo in public I should demand a release form?

Also, YouTube is generally not commercial purpose. It's private citizen.

It's not going to happen.
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norwegian
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I think to that extent it is about the time and the money, there can be permissions put in place if money it to be made off it, or you can organize a court request for a photo to be removed. The law is there, it just isn't enforced, unless a person or citizen requests it, and that in itself takes money and time. Most people just give up right there.

You have to fight for privacy.
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Mike
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If you're in a public place, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy.

In the US the right of the photographer is quite strong. I can photo anyone and anything (except military installations) in public. I own the photo and it's not public domain.

The unwritten code of honor (aka not being a jerk) is to ask the subject if they can take their photo.
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carpetshark3
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reply to goalieskates

said by goalieskates:

said by KrK:

If you're doing something that will be 1) Embarrassing or incriminating and 2) is interesting enough to be posted on YouTube,

then perhaps you should ask yourself if you should be carrying out that type of behavior in public (or period).

Oh no you don't. This blame-the-victim mentality has to stop.

Or have you forgotten all the pervs who shoot women in restrooms, or up their skirts, etc? Just as one example. Paparazzi would be another.

It's every bit as likely the people with the cameras are the ones with behavior issues or downright creeps, and these glasses enable them.

We actually had one jerk that got caught hiding in portapotties. You can guess where.

People won't learn and will still think they are the center of everyone's universe, or won't think at all.

I don't want idiots wearing these while driving. Phones are bad enough when people don't pay attention.

Businesses will ban them if there is any chance of a competitor getting information.


carpetshark3
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reply to goalieskates

said by goalieskates:

said by KrK:

If you're doing something that will be 1) Embarrassing or incriminating and 2) is interesting enough to be posted on YouTube,

then perhaps you should ask yourself if you should be carrying out that type of behavior in public (or period).

Oh no you don't. This blame-the-victim mentality has to stop.

Or have you forgotten all the pervs who shoot women in restrooms, or up their skirts, etc? Just as one example. Paparazzi would be another.

It's every bit as likely the people with the cameras are the ones with behavior issues or downright creeps, and these glasses enable them.

said by goalieskates:

said by KrK:

If you're doing something that will be 1) Embarrassing or incriminating and 2) is interesting enough to be posted on YouTube,

then perhaps you should ask yourself if you should be carrying out that type of behavior in public (or period).

Oh no you don't. This blame-the-victim mentality has to stop.

Or have you forgotten all the pervs who shoot women in restrooms, or up their skirts, etc? Just as one example. Paparazzi would be another.

It's every bit as likely the people with the cameras are the ones with behavior issues or downright creeps, and these glasses enable them.

We actually had one jerk that got caught hiding in portapotties. You can guess where.

People won't learn and will still think they are the center of everyone's universe, or won't think at all.

I don't want idiots wearing these while driving. Phones are bad enough when people don't pay attention.

Businesses will ban them if there is any chance of a competitor getting information.


DrModem
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If the business bans the glasses they will have to ban smartphones too.

As far as the purpose of taking information goes, they are essentially the same. You can covertly record quite easily with a smartphone, despite the protestations of "WELL I CAN SEE YOU WHEN YOU ARE RECORDING ME WITH YOUR PHONE". Yea, you can. If I'm holding it up to your face. But maybe I'm at a distance. Maybe I have it at an angle where it looks like I'm texting. Maybe I'm above you on a crosswalk in a mall or whatever. Maybe I have it in my front shirt pocket where it's just shallow enough to where the camera lens is in the open. Just because I don't have a camera mounted on my head doesn't mean it's hard to sneak video of you if I want too.

From what I've seen as far as pictures of Glass these things are anything but stealthy. It's not like it won't be obvious what you're wearing.

What I think of glass:

It's no different than wearing a smartphone on your face. It causes no alarm to me. I think for general purpose use it's dumb, however I can see great use for it in many occupational capacities.



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Enjoy the walk with Google ads in your Google glasses



StuartMW
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Plus you won't be able to block the ads

»Adblock Plus for Android removed from Google Play store
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CylonRed
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Actually- it is very noticeable when someone is recording something on a smartphone - it has to be held up - especially if you want to get something other than legs and feet. It decidedly does not look like texting unless you are recording feet.
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reply to Mike

said by Mike:

If you're in a public place, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy.
...

+1
Merriam-Webster:
Private: adj -- restricted to the individual
Public: adj -- not private
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Gandalf4503

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reply to StuartMW

I'm all for the augmented reality tech that is in the works at the moment, though I'm leaning more towards the Oculus Rift (this is 3D tech and not the same as google glasses, though). I wear glasses normally, so walking around with something like google glasses on would be a bad idea for me since the corrective lens version probably won't be out for a while yet.

I love technology and don't want to be held back by those afraid of change.



StuartMW
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said by Gandalf4503:

I love technology and don't want to be held back by those afraid of change.

Gotta love comments like that

I've been in the high-tech industry for over 25 years as a developer. I love technology. I'm not "afraid of change". The issue is how new technology can be used by anyone to invade others privacy and/or be a security risk.

In the past many technologies were beyond the reach and/or understanding of the average moron. Nowadays any idiot can use them. That is the issue.
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StuartMW
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And it just keeps getting "better"...

Google Glass could one day let you control objects around you

quote:
You may eventually be able to operate your TV, refrigerator, or garage door through Google Glass.

Published today by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, a Google patent application called "Wearable Computer with Superimposed Controls and Instructions for External Device" describes a technology in which a Google Glass wearer could control a real object via a virtual display.

Beyond merely showing you details about an object, Google Glass would present a virtual control panel to let you interact with that object.

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