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Steve
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Re: TurboTax suddenly starts screwing Linux users?

said by TuxRaiderPen2:

I call it like I see it and I will derogatory and defamatory names towards m$ and its crap wintard software.

Here, let me fix this for you.
said by TuxRaiderPen2:

I'm far more interested in being right than I am in being effective.

I gotta say that I admire the chutzpah of a guy who admits in public, repeatedly and vociferously, that he doesn't expect to be taken seriously, even by those who would otherwise generally share his aims.

TuxRaiderPen2
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said by Steve:
Here, let me fix this for you.
said by TuxRaiderPen2:
I'm far more interested in being right than I am in being effective.

Well your wrong. I am not always right, and I don't know it all. Any one saying that in IT, should be fired. Or any job.
said by Steve:
I gotta say that I admire the chutzpah of a guy who admits in public, repeatedly and vociferously, that he doesn't expect to be taken seriously, even by those who would otherwise generally share his aims.
Well, first, I do NOT think you share my aims or goals even in a "generally" label.

Quite simply if your using winatard crap, your not helping Linux.

Its real simple your either for/with us and Linux and using it 100%, or your part of the PROBLEM in using it for this task or that task.. ie: servers in the datacenter but using wintard desktops.

Use the best tool for the task! I do, the BEST LINUX TOOL.

All too many here, you included, don't see the issue with Secure|Restricted boot. First they came .... but I was not.... Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it or be extinguised by it. This is cleary a Pearl Harbor event for Linux.

UEFI, is over kill for a BIOS... A shell, a player, a browser, oohey gooety pretty interface, OH PUHLEASE! Need to improve the BIOS to adapt for newer hardware and advances in hardware? ABSOLUTELY! 100%.

PS: Those who whine about using m$, wintard, are the ones we know are not members of the cliche and club! And I continue to ask if your NOT using *Nix/BSD etc. really what is your point in being a UNIX FORUM? ? I don't hang out in the wintard fora here or elsewhere. NO partial use doesn't give you an admission ticket.

I also happen to know from outside exchanges that the very silent majority agrees with ME.

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said by TuxRaiderPen2:


PS: Those who whine about using m$, wintard, are the ones we know are not members of the cliche and club! And I continue to ask if your NOT using *Nix/BSD etc. really what is your point in being a UNIX FORUM? ? I don't hang out in the wintard fora here or elsewhere. NO partial use doesn't give you an admission ticket.

I use Linux, OS X, Windows 8, Android, iOS, and WP8. Which forums am I allowed to be in here at DSLR? Am I cool enough to be in the club?

Steve
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said by TuxRaiderPen2:

Quite simply if your using winatard crap, your not helping Linux.

What if not everybody is trying to "help Linux", but merely get their work done and get on with life? Many will make use of the tools with the least friction in their own environment - such as to use Turbo Tax on Windows rather than struggle with Linux.

The problem is not that you're promoting Linux - I think that's great - but you suggest that anybody who is anything but 100% Linux is simply an enemy to be disregarded. Sure, you're entitled to your view, but those who do like Linux but have a more adult view (cross-platform, get their work done, etc.) are totally turned off.

You are ineffective at getting people to see things your way. Maybe you don't care.

And you ask why *I* am in this forum? I've been using UNIX since before your daddy rolled over panting, so I think I pretty much qualify.

Steve

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said by TuxRaiderPen2:

PS: Those who whine about using m$, wintard, are the ones we know are not members of the cliche and club! And I continue to ask if your NOT using *Nix/BSD etc. really what is your point in being a UNIX FORUM? ? I don't hang out in the wintard fora here or elsewhere. NO partial use doesn't give you an admission ticket.

I also happen to know from outside exchanges that the very silent majority agrees with ME.

Just quoting something generally relevant not a direct correlation to the above.. fyi. And I generally agree with your viewpoint also but it's mostly because I don't agree with a fixed mentality carried over from various industries that act in a way that comes off as fearing change to the status quo. Probably the biggest unspoken is the fact that great solutions have the potential to kill off entire economies in the whole computer related service industry. It's kind of like building cars that never break down or wear out, billions would vanish from the economies around the world that deal with service and repair.

One situation is that you have people who do as customers want and are are fine with satisfying that want situation rather than creating solutions that could be considered closer to perfect. It's like buying cheap items now, and again in a year you buy cheap items again even if they are the same exact items to replace what is broke or worn. You save money now, but spend more over 2 years and this is the same for software solutions too and when you involve big businesses the bottom line is now not at any time in the future. Does it build empires? no, it is more like building main street on a movie set. looks great from the street, looks hollow from the alley.

Turbo tax, it's kind of a turd, those who love it in some cases use the windows native client version rather than ever dealing with the online web page (if you can call it a web page) version.

Linux? It's not as unpopular as people make it out. You mention android and they tell you how much it's not Linux but it is. You mention the desktop and they call it miniscule. You mention servers and they give red hat a default standard status. Of all the people I know that aren't in any computer related service job, 90% would be just as successful, get just as much done, and spend the same amount of time doing it on Windows, Mac, or Linux because they really just aren't that into the whole "how it works" thing. The people in the industry are never around these people, the majority of people, the people who are a month away from forgetting how to use their computer, their phone, their tablet.

The people that "want" don't know and they don't care and they buy because of what they are sold and not for what they need and others will use any means to make sure this is the status quo. Pointing this out upsets a lot of people too.

Tux, you're held to a higher standard with one version expressed to you here and those in the clique justifying their behavior elsewhere. Smile and shake hands on the street and cuss about them as you walk away, what a way to live a life for so many.

I'm usually bad luck and cause topics to disappear so i'm sorry to whoever gets lucky enough to read this in the next minutes before back room whining occurs. (which is as pathetic as it is sad considering most of what is here is because of a culture of openness and freedoms)

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said by TuxRaiderPen2:


Its real simple your either for/with us and Linux and using it 100%, or your part of the PROBLEM in using it for this task or that task.. ie: servers in the datacenter but using wintard desktops.

And yet, you eschew Fedora because of some perceived transgression and hate Red Hat because [insert vague RPM reference].

GNOME is denigrated with the same fervor, juvenile lexicon and AOL grammar you use in describing Microsoft products.

You regularly deride IBM and Intel even though few, if any companies have done more to support or defend Linux.

You taint your kernel with binary blobs because they just work but claim the moral high ground over someone who runs GPL video drivers but uses Turbo Tax once a year in a VM.

By your own vaunted standards, you are part of the problem.
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said by TuxRaiderPen2:

UEFI, is over kill for a BIOS... A shell, a player, a browser, oohey gooety pretty interface, OH PUHLEASE! Need to improve the BIOS to adapt for newer hardware and advances in hardware? ABSOLUTELY! 100%.

I suggest you immediately stop your employer from buying any computer that is sold with with UEFI firmware. In fact, you probably should refuse to work on any systems that you've already got that have UEFI ROMs.

After all, you're either with the UEFI consortium or against them. Time to pick sides. If you boot a UEFI system your (sic) part of the PROBLEM.

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said by TuxRaiderPen2:

This shows they are pandering to the wintard lusers when their web based system should be OS AGNOSTIC, Period.

If they are not accepting of Linux users, unless I go through a bunch of hoops to look like a wintard luser, then they don't deserve MY BUSINESS or my CLIENTS or MY AGENCY(S) or MY COMPANIES business either.

Till then the web based solutions will have to work, and I will use one which works on Linux with out a bunch of hoops ie: UAS and in my browser of choice, Konqueror. Fail either, your done. Thus, as much as I would prefer an INSTALLED application, TaxAct has been the solution. I was a long ardent supporter of H&R Blocks TaxCut when I was still under the influence of Flavorade of wintardand. They and others still leave Linux users for personal finance in the lurch, tax or finance software wise.

WOW, such animosity toward Windows users. Glad your a 100% Linux user. I am a 99% Linux User, well maybe a 95% Linux since in addition to Linux I use eComStation (OS/2), OS X, Haiku, FreeDOS and yes Windows (In virtual machines running on Slackware64). So I guess I must be 5% wintard. Though I suspect, just a wintard in your book.

i do not allow Windows in my house, except for the virtual machines mentioned above. Even at my business, our computer runs Linux. That said I am a realist. I have a lot of friends who use Windows, I help them with there problems so it is handy having a Windows install available on my Slackware64 machine. That and I do not want to do my taxes on-line, so I download and install in one of the Windows virtual machines I have on my Slackware 64 machine. Back before I retired, I administered, Windows, Unix, Novell and some other OS's, never cared much for Windows, but it was part of the job. If someone prefers to use Windows, fine with me. Though I have managed to convert a few over to Linux. My wife and kids have no choice in the matter.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, none of the big names support Linux, including TaxAct. Access via your browser is not supporting Linux. Why TurboTax decided to single out Linux via the User Agent, I can only guess. What i will say is, that is a dastardly deed. I have done my taxes with Turbo Tax since 2007. I would be extremely mad if I have been doing my taxes on-line and had to play User Agent tag to access my stuff. Glad i don't, at any rate I am switching to something else for 2012. So TurboTax lost my money. I will probably go with TaxAct, it's cheaper anyway.

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