 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | One huge problem Inevitable if everything as unlock many morons would fuck up their devices hacking into them then expect the manufacturer to replace said devices for free. When said manufacturer says no, they will go on the internet messageboard and facebook and twitter and start railing against that manufacturer and how evil and greedy they are for not standing by their product thus giving said company undue bad press. In fact these idiot would actually blame the company for making a faulty device to begin with.
I'd be for unlocking stuff if I was sure that most people when it comes to technology weren't pretty stupid. Sadly the overwhelming vast majority are. |
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coma9
join:2013-02-05
United State | reply to BF69
said by BF69:Inevitable if everything as unlock many morons would fuck up their devices hacking into them then expect the manufacturer to replace said devices for free. Nah, just like everyone else includes in the fine print, if you void the warranty, and break your device, tough shit. Which is how it should be. If you don't know what you're doing, and find a way to break your toy, it stays broken. |
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 Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
join:2004-07-08
united state | reply to BF69
If you buy a device at full price outright, then you "own it" and "owning the device" means you have the right to do with your property what you want.
If you want to run over a tablet you own with your car, thats your prerogative...
At the time of purchase, the user should be presented with a piece of paper stating the manufacture will warranty the device for a set period "as long as the software or hardware on the device has not been tamered with, and if the user jailbreaks or tampers with the software in anyway the warranty is void"
The consumer has to sign the paper before purchase...if they tamper with it and break it, then tough luck....
locking someone out of a device they own is never good business and is never the answer for anything...either you believe in private property rights or you don't, and private property rights are much more then just owning your house and yard...it extends to the goods and materiel you own too. |
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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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said by BF69:Inevitable if everything as unlock many morons would fuck up their devices hacking into them then expect the manufacturer to replace said devices for free. When said manufacturer says no, they will go on the internet messageboard and facebook and twitter and start railing against that manufacturer and how evil and greedy they are for not standing by their product thus giving said company undue bad press. In fact these idiot would actually blame the company for making a faulty device to begin with.
I'd be for unlocking stuff if I was sure that most people when it comes to technology weren't pretty stupid. Sadly the overwhelming vast majority are.
I like this idea instead.
You unlock the device, you void the warranty. It really is that simple. Then, if you screw it up, its your own fault and you don't qualify for warranty replacement.
There aren't very many common users who are going to unlock their devices anyway. So this really is a small segment of techie users.
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Your argument is just plain stupid.
First off, a vast majority will not tinker with their device at all.
Second, phones are really no different than computers and even the unskilled have the full ability to modify their computers in every way possible and yet the industry still survives doesnt it?
Third, regardless of all that. We bought and paid for the device. We should be able to do whatever the hell we want with it just like I can with any other device. It it breaks as a result, then oh well. We took that chance and broke it. But if I want to turn my smartphone into a nuclear powered weed eater, then I should be able to do just that. |
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said by BF69:Inevitable if everything as unlock many morons would fuck up their devices hacking into them then expect the manufacturer to replace said devices for free. When said manufacturer says no, they will go on the internet messageboard and facebook and twitter and start railing... With respect, why don't you take this to its logical conclusion? People should not be allowed to take their devices outside buildings since things may happen to the devices outside including being rained on, being dropped and smashed, cars running over them, etc. The user will then claim that the manufacturer should replace the device for free and complain when the manufacturer refuses to do so. Therefore, the user should not be allowed to take the product outside. The user should also, at a minimum, not be allowed to give the devices to small children, take them to the bathroom, take them around pools... I could go on. The answer here is for manufacturers to make clear what repairs are covered and the public to understand what complaints are worth anything. |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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said by Woody79_00:At the time of purchase, the user should be presented with a piece of paper stating the manufacture will warranty the device for a set period "as long as the software or hardware on the device has not been tamered with, and if the user jailbreaks or tampers with the software in anyway the warranty is void"
Well there, I slightly disagree--- the warranty should cover the hardware, always, no matter what happens to the software. In fact I'm pretty sure most software already isn't covered. If a user bricks a device, well, that's a software issue. A smart company would just charge a nominal fee to recover the device to factory settings while in warranty or under contract, thereby keeping a customer happy and avoiding losing them, but that wouldn't be a requirement, just a good idea.
What I don't want to see is warranties that have "Gotcha's" in the small print that mean any minor little change (like installing an "Untested" application, or changing to an alternative browser, for example) voids the warranty on the entire device. There is already too much of this sketchy behavior. A classic example was the PC's that were sold with special seals so if you opened your case to install a larger HD or more RAM instantly the warranty on the entire machine was void, unless you took it to their approved service center, and bought their approved parts (at vastly inflated prices) and paid their "Approved Technicians" to install them for you (Again, at vastly inflated prices.) That type of behavior is incredibly customer unfriendly and even insulting, and I'm sure cost businesses loyal customers.
Other then that, we agree. You've bought it, you're not leasing it, you own it, you should be able to unlock and customize at will. Some companies are much more supportive about this and make their devices to be much more "Bullet Proof" and easy to recover, but not all.
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