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Oleg
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[WIN7] OEM or RTM Disk

Has anyone has seen this kind of OEM disk? »i.ebayimg.com/t/Windows-7-Home-P···0_57.JPG. Or is it RTM (Release To Manufacturers) copy?



Nhbass
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That disk is for use only in refurbishing a system and cannot be used with a standard Win 7 key.



Oleg
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said by Nhbass:

That disk is for use only in refurbishing a system and cannot be used with a standard Win 7 key.

I know. I just never have seen this kind of licensing before. I know OEM, and RTM licensing, but not the refurb. licensing.


Nhbass
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We have them here at my shop but only for in house use. Essentially, if you sell used computers and need to reload them, this is MS's solution and a new revenue stream for them.



Oleg
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Makes sense. Can you use a single refurb. licensing/disk on more than one PCs ?
I know that with XP VLK you were able to install the OS using the same key on as many PCs as you want, but it is strictly for businesses only.



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No you cannot. The refurb key is locked to the system. You provide MS with the product id number on the license tag (not the install key) as well as the product id on the refurb sticker and the MS Refurb website generates the install key. In the process, the original product key is deactivated and cannot be used again.



Oleg
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Thanks Nhbass for the solid answers.



Doctor Olds
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said by Oleg:

Has anyone has seen this kind of OEM disk? »i.ebayimg.com/t/Windows-7-Home-P···0_57.JPG. Or is it RTM (Release To Manufacturers) copy?

Microsoft Refurbisher Programs
»www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensi···ams.aspx
quote:
Microsoft Refurbisher Programs

There are several options for refurbishers to become a member of a Microsoft Refurbisher program. Members of the following programs are able to supply computers with genuine Microsoft software preinstalled to businesses, consumers, and nonprofits.

Microsoft Registered Refurbisher. This program is for small and midsize refurbishers across the globe that wish to supply refurbished PCs preinstalled with genuine Microsoft software to local consumers and businesses, as well as to qualified charities, nonprofits, schools, and government programs.

Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher. This program is for large refurbishers that average a minimum volume of 5,000 PCs refurbished monthly. Refurbishers supply refurbished computers and servers preinstalled with genuine Microsoft software to businesses, consumers, and nonprofits.

Microsoft Refurbisher Program Benefits

Benefits for eligible refurbishers include:

Recognition and status as a member of a Microsoft Refurbisher program.
Ability to build an enhanced relationship with Microsoft.
Genuine Microsoft software licenses for refurbished PCs.
Access to proprietary installation tools to simplify the software deployment process.
The opportunity to create market differentiation through the sale of a refurbished PC solution with preinstalled Microsoft software.

Find Out More
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urbanriot
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OEM and refurbisher discs have the same content and the product keys are interchangeable; it's the licensing that distinguishes them.


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I don't understand why you would have to pay for another key if the pc already has a COA sticker with the key on it? Why not just re-install using the same key on the sticker?
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Oleg
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said by OmagicQ:

I don't understand why you would have to pay for another key if the pc already has a COA sticker with the key on it? Why not just re-install using the same key on the sticker?

Well, advanced users have custom builds this days. As a Pirate activation of OS is not an issue. Also most of OEM builds come with a restore disk loaded with useless junk software.


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said by OmagicQ:

I don't understand why you would have to pay for another key if the pc already has a COA sticker with the key on it? Why not just re-install using the same key on the sticker?

Because the license is not transferred with the PC. The COA sticker is just a sticker... it's meaningless.


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said by urbanriot:

said by OmagicQ:

I don't understand why you would have to pay for another key if the pc already has a COA sticker with the key on it? Why not just re-install using the same key on the sticker?

Because the license is not transferred with the PC. The COA sticker is just a sticker... it's meaningless.

It has meaning, it just may be a VLK (aka Corporate type key) or other type license key that cannot be transferred to a end user. Therefore when a company sells their old PCs, you need a new COA for resell after they are refurbished.
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I'm having difficulty applying what you wrote to the context of what I'd posted.

The refurbisher sticker goes hand in hand with the transferal of licensing. On its own, the sticker is meaningless. Legally, the only item that counts is the invoice.



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said by urbanriot:

I'm having difficulty applying what you wrote to the context of what I'd posted.

Don't see how, it wasn't cryptic by any means of the imagination.

said by urbanriot:

The refurbisher sticker goes hand in hand with the transferal of licensing. On its own, the sticker is meaningless. Legally, the only item that counts is the invoice.

Actually the invoice is meaningless unless you are a business under a compliance audit by the SBA (»www.bsa.org/ ).

A end user or even another business cannot buy a corporate or business owned PC or Laptop which is up for sale that used a VLK key and continue touse that key on the VLK COA so that means the PC or laptop needs a new COA, either under the refurbished plan or a Retail copy or a OEM copy as all of those come with new COAs.
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I understand what you are saying. The corp I work for, on updating all the software and O/S, I asked on the old versions of Office etc and were they on sell them, and the reply was no, they could not even give the license away for free, the stipulation for the corp bulk license was they were not transferable.

It sounds the same as what you are trying to explain, it is neither a full product nor OEM.
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said by Doctor Olds:


Actually the invoice is meaningless unless you are a business under a compliance audit by the SBA

Not sure why you're linking to the general BSA site but regardless of what you're suggesting, a COA sticker is meaningless in the court of law and the invoice proves ownership of license.

The refurbisher program allows refurbishers to repackage the previous owners system with a proper license intended for the next owner.


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said by urbanriot:



The refurbisher program allows refurbishers to repackage the previous owners system with a proper license intended for the next owner.

Actually it is:

The refurbisher program allows refurbishers to repackage the previous owners system that has a non-transferable COA attached with a proper license intended for the next owner. This does not apply to any COA (OEM or Retail) that can be transferred to the next owner. Retail being able to be transferred to new hardware/new system while OEM can only be transferred with the original hardware/original system it was first installed or pre-installed on.
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That's... interesting, I sit corrected. Would you be so kind as to link me to the specific location where you grabbed that quote. I'd like to screenshot it.

This is yet another situation of Microsoft writing something that doesn't hold up in court. Well, at least Canadian court. There's a set of rules that Microsoft prints in their licensing agreements, their web sites, their program sites, and what the 1-800 licensing people say, then there's another set of rules of what the BSA lawyers use in court.


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Apparently just having the COA sticker IS NOT enough. You have to have the recovery media or partition. I found this here »oem.microsoft.com/downloads/publ···ines.pdf

When is a new Windows operating system license required and when is one not required?

A new Windows license is not required for a refurbished PC that has:
(1) The original Certificate of Authenticity (COA) for a Windows operating system affixed to the PC, and
(2) The original recovery media or hard-disk based recovery image associated with the PC.

The operating system identified on the original COA indicates the edition of Windows that was originally licensed for that PC and the refurbisher can use either:
(1) The original recovery media or
(2) The original hard-disk based recovery image to reinstall the operating system software specified on the COA.

If the original recovery media is not present, an end user can contact the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) of the PC to obtain the appropriate recovery media for a fee—subject to availability. Second-hand recovery media is sometimes offered for sale by individuals in various forums and markets. Purchasing media from unknown sources is not recommended as it introduces the risks of copyright infringement, improper licensing and infected/corrupted or incomplete software.

A new Windows license is required for a refurbished PC if:
(1) The refurbisher cannot obtain the original recovery media or
(2) The PC does not have a hard-disk based recovery image.
The refurbisher must purchase a new Windows license in order to provide the purchaser of the refurbished PC with a genuine, licensed version of Windows on the PC.

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