 AkFubarAdmittedly, A Teksavvy Fan
join:2005-02-28
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Re: Upgrade from DSL 6 to DSL 7 said by xsbell:said by ekp:Hello,
Just couple of questions about that:
- with that 7M service, what actual speed should be expected - 7M minus overhead, or 7M ?
Any profile that's not VDSL2 will use ATM encapsulation, so ~6.2Mbps if it's 7Mbps, but I'm sure the profiles are slightly higher to account for the overhead. Yup. Seems to be the case. I am on FTTN 7M and I noticed today that my actual download speed on SABnzbd was around 7M or even slightly higher (single video download).
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to ghatreh0
Bell does set the sync profiles higher to account for overhead on ADSL2+, although they can't do that fully for the upstream (because they're selling 1 meg upstream and it maxes out at 1.088 megs). VDSL2 does get both the up and down overhead fully compensated for, although VDSL2 inherently has a ton less overhead on account of not using ATM.
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said by Guspaz:The $25 discount that has been mentioned is "Receive $25 off your activation fee with the purchase of one of our DSL modems." Most people moving from ADSL to ADSL2+ (like 6 to 7 or 6 to 15) aren't going to need a new modem.
There is no mention of a requirement to buy a modem. |
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | said by bjlockie:There is no mention of a requirement to buy a modem. Yes, there is.
That text appears on both the all ADSL and ADSL2+ tiers, but not the VDSL2 tiers (which have no discount). Marc has indicated this no longer applies, but it wasn't clear if he meant it doesn't apply to VDSL2, or if the discount doesn't apply at all, or the modem purchase is no longer required.
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This seems like the appropriate thread to post this question. I'm moving from legacy 6 meg to FTTN 7 meg next week. Apparently, a telecom tech will have to come to my apartment to install a POTS splitter (totally separate from the Bell tech going to the node to enable FTTN). Question... is this just one piece of equipment that gets installed where the router-modem is? Or is one installed at every phone jack? |
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| POTS splitters are usually installed at the demarc (which are usually outside your house). You can have an internal POTS splitter which, in that case will be right where your modem is.
The stuff at every phone jack you're thinking of are filters and are completely unnecessary if you've got a POTS splitter (so if you do still have some, you can get rid of them). |
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| said by mactalla:POTS splitters are usually installed at the demarc (which are usually outside your house). You can have an internal POTS splitter which, in that case will be right where your modem is. I live in a condo building, and have no idea where the demarc for my suite is. |
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| If you have more than one pair going up to your condo I expect they'll put it in the wiring closet with the rest of Bell's gear. If not they'll likely install a splitter right at your jack inside your condo. In that case your jack in the wall will become 2 jacks. One that you'll use for your modem and the other for phone. |
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| said by mactalla:If you have more than one pair going up to your condo I expect they'll put it in the wiring closet with the rest of Bell's gear. If not they'll likely install a splitter right at your jack inside your condo. In that case your jack in the wall will become 2 jacks. One that you'll use for your modem and the other for phone. Thanks. For the install, I'll have clear the area near the jack in my computer den (actually spare bedroom). Quite the rats-nest of wiring I have there...
•An ST546 router/modem; like a 516, but has 4 ports.
•2 Dell PC's that are getting on in years.
•1 netbook.
•1 port with a 50 foot ethernet cable to my "Home Theatre" PC in the living room.
•USB drive for backups. Doesn't everybody? 
•The 2 PC's, netbook, ST546, and USB drive are hooked up directly or indirectly to a UPS. |
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said by Guspaz:It's a more reliable service due to shorter loop lengths, line conditioning (they remove bridge taps), and newer equipment/infrastructure. Many people would also qualify for 7 meg on FTTN, but lower speeds like 3 meg on legacy.
If you have stable and reliable 6 meg service, there is no big need to upgrade, apart from the modest speed boost of downstream and upstream. It's possible that in the future Bell might decommission legacy hardware in your region, though, which might force you to upgrade.
Thanks for the response, Guspaz! I appreciate it.
But as one of your regular posters pointed out elsewhere...
said by InvalidError:As for possibly lower support costs, I seriously doubt those costs would account the remainder of the $12/month discrepancy between wholesale costs and retail rates. Lately, there seems to be far many more people complaining about speed and profile issues on FTTN than legacy so I doubt legacy support costs are substantially higher. Is there any data to confirm/refute a statement like that? Maybe FTTN is more reliable (technically) but not from the enduser standpoint if Bell is monkeywrenching profiles all the time.
And if TekSavvy's profit margin for FTTN is so thin (compared to legacy) I wonder how long before we see a surprise price increase on those tiers? I would hate to fork over $50 just to have them raise my rates soon after... |
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 TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | said by Jeff Ott :...I wonder how long before we see a surprise price increase on those tiers? I would hate to fork over $50 just to have them raise my rates soon after...
Even if prices went up, existing users would remain grandfathered at existing rates. Anybody signing up now would have certainty that those rates would remain. You really should upgrade, it really is in your best interest.
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said by Jeff Ott :Is there any data to confirm/refute a statement like that? Maybe FTTN is more reliable (technically) but not from the enduser standpoint if Bell is monkeywrenching profiles all the time. Most people on "legacy" where VDSL2 is available end up on FTTN anyway - almost everyone seems to be landing on those infamous IKNS stingers.
As for support costs, TSI used to have 200GB cap at $30/month back when the wholesale rate was $22.50 for 5/0.8 and there weren't anywhere near as many remotes so no/low-sync complaints due to line issues were far more common. I seriously doubt their average legacy support cost has increased by ~$8/month/sub since then... it should actually have dropped substantially. |
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 TSI AndreGot TekSavvy?Premium,VIP
join:2008-06-03
Chatham, ON
kudos:8 | reply to TSI Andre
I just updated my chart... Downgrading is $25 no matter which tier you jump to. |
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But after that year, it is all gravy baby! |
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said by mactalla:If you have more than one pair going up to your condo I expect they'll put it in the wiring closet with the rest of Bell's gear. If not they'll likely install a splitter right at your jack inside your condo. In that case your jack in the wall will become 2 jacks. One that you'll use for your modem and the other for phone. One more question... is it something that merely gets plugged into the jack, or does the tech have to take off the wall plate, and work behind that? The reason I ask is because I have a rat's-nest of cables/wires there. If the tech has to get in and work on the jack, I'll need to temporarily clear some stuff out.
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| He'll need to open the jack up.
Also, the pots-splitter only needs to go in the building IT room if there is a specific kind of enter-phone system that needs to be filtered out.
Otherwise, the tech should be chosing to install the pots-splitter at the riser jack/location in the suite.
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If he does need to install it in your suite, then it'll probably be something like this:
»Re: POTS Splitter Set-up
So yeah, he needs to open the jack and work with the wires. |
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said by TSI Marc:Even if prices went up, existing users would remain grandfathered at existing rates. Anybody signing up now would have certainty that those rates would remain. You really should upgrade, it really is in your best interest.
Why would they be grandfathered? And for how long? In my time at TekSavvy, I've seen a couple price hikes on DSL - and it seems that POTS is about to get hit too? So how are these new rates any different from the 'no-contract' past?
Moot point for me though, as I'd rather keep my $50. Too steep for me (and probably quite a few others who are just barely holding on to this side of the digital divide).
said by InvalidError:As for support costs, TSI used to have 200GB cap at $30/month back when the wholesale rate was $22.50 for 5/0.8 and there weren't anywhere near as many remotes so no/low-sync complaints due to line issues were far more common. I seriously doubt their average legacy support cost has increased by ~$8/month/sub since then... it should actually have dropped substantially.
Maybe those funds can go to the unfortunate wet-loop price increase. Problem solved!
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TypeS
join:2012-12-17
London, ON
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said by TSI Marc:Even if prices went up, existing users would remain grandfathered at existing rates. Anybody signing up now would have certainty that those rates would remain. You really should upgrade, it really is in your best interest.
I've got a question Marc, when Bell qualifies an address for Fibe 5/1, is this just a really low FTTN profile or just maksed legacy ADSL1? Trying to get a relative to switch to TSI from another provider. But I'd like them to be on FTTN and pay FTTN installation fee, doesn't need to sync at 7, 6 or 5 is fine. Just a bit confused by what Bell is refferring to by FTTN 5/1 and TSI's legacy 6/0.8. Would suck to pay for legacy activation, and the FTTN activation again in the near future. |
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| said by TypeS:I've got a question Marc, when Bell qualifies an address for Fibe 5/1, is this just a really low FTTN profile or just maksed legacy ADSL1? Bell used to have "Performance" and "Fibe6" until about half-way into 2012 but removed the distinction between legacy and FTTN in their offer lineup after that.
From the description, I'm guessing the reason Bell lowered it from 6/1 to 5/0.8 is because you get whatever is available. If only ADSL1 is available, you get 6/0.8 (or whatever your line is capable of up to that) and if ADSL2+ is available, you get 7/1. |
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