 banditws6Shrinking Time and DistancePremium join:2001-08-18 Frisco, TX Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Moropo
Re: Such high prices! But not so much compared to Time Warner. If I could actually see those speeds promised by the 30/3 package, I might be willing to switch away from TWC. The latter wants $80-$85 in my area for 30/5, which I'm not willing to pay. -- "The counsel of fools is all the more dangerous the more of them there are." -Ólafr Höskuldsson |
|
|
|
 SunnyD join:2009-03-20 Madison, AL | Arguably... I pay the same price for 6M/768Kb ADSL from AT&T as that 18M/1.5M UVerse package. I'd gladly take an upgrade if they bothered to offer it to me.
Odds are Comcast will be servicing my neighborhood here sooner than AT&T even considers opening up more capacity (no new homes can even get ADSL in our subdivision) let alone upgrading us to UVerse. |
|
 keithpsPremium join:2002-06-26 Soddy Daisy, TN Reviews:
·EPB Fiber Optics
| reply to banditws6 And yet, people continue to bash on the muni-broadband. Probably because they are mad that for $70/month I can get 100/100. AT&T has U-verse availble here, but you can imagine the uptake rate is pretty low. -- RIP Dad (10-28-1955 to 4-10-2010) |
|
 elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | said by keithps:And yet, people continue to bash on the muni-broadband. Probably because they are mad that for $70/month I can get 100/100. AT&T has U-verse availble here, but you can imagine the uptake rate is pretty low. We will continue to bash. We have a choice, when it comes to whether we pay AT&T. Such is not the case when the government decides to "compete" using our tax money. |
|
 djrobx join:2000-05-31 Valencia, CA kudos:1 Reviews:
·VOIPo
·Verizon Wireless..
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to banditws6 said by banditws6:But not so much compared to Time Warner. If I could actually see those speeds promised by the 30/3 package, I might be willing to switch away from TWC. The latter wants $80-$85 in my area for 30/5, which I'm not willing to pay. I'd still pay more to TWC. At least for the time being, they do not cap their service and have publicly stated that they don't. The trick to TWC is to call and beg to be put on a promo pricing.
I think AT&T still hasn't started enforcing caps on their service yet, but they advertise only 250GB for U-verse. -- AT&T U-Hearse - RIP Unlimited Internet 1995-2011 Rethink Billable.
|
|
 | said by djrobx:I think AT&T still hasn't started enforcing caps on their service yet, but they advertise only 250GB for U-verse. So far, they haven't capped. I've been with U-Verse since my neighborhood got it (2009) and still downloading freely. Just recently I went from 6 mpbs back down to 3 as the price was getting too much for my wallet. -- Illegal aliens have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian. Robert Orben
|
|
 | reply to elray If they're using our tax money then it's probably the best use of tax money since the government brought electricity to us. They compete for security (police, military), roads, schools, etc. Why not internet? |
|
 | reply to elray Few bash. Really it is only those that are have more to lose because their interest lies with the corporations and little to do with spending tax money. Those same people are perfectly fine with using our tax money to prop up the profits of those very same companies they are trying to protect.
And I would agree with the other poster. If our government decided to roll out fiber to every home and business it would be the best use of $500 billion dollars this nation has spent in a century. |
|
 KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to biochemistry I think a lot of people forget about the rural electrification act. Which strangely enough happened because of the same reason rural areas lack good broadband. the private power companies stated that rural areas were not profitable.
It should be noted that projects like Hoover Dam are at least partially linked to such bills, And they have repaid themselves. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
|
 elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | reply to biochemistry said by biochemistry:If they're using our tax money then it's probably the best use of tax money since the government brought electricity to us. They compete for security (police, military), roads, schools, etc. Why not internet? Because those are moneys already wasted - the federal government has no business in schools or police; roads and power are debatable, and we're a couple trillion short each year.
If "better broadband" is so important to your community, put it to a vote - form and fund a coop, and get it done. Stop waiting for the rest of us to pay for it. |
|
 banditws6Shrinking Time and DistancePremium join:2001-08-18 Frisco, TX Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to djrobx That is an admitted concern, but the most data I've ever consumed (both up and downstream combined) in a month over the last two years is still just half of what U-Verse's stated cap is so I'm not that worried about it.
What worries me is the technology behind U-Verse and, based on user feedback, how I'm less likely to reach the speeds of the tier I'm paying for than I would be on cable. That's what's kept me from trying U-Verse until now; their top tier at my address is only 3/.5 faster than my TWC standard package, and I might lock myself into a contract only to realize less speed than I see today. -- "The counsel of fools is all the more dangerous the more of them there are." -Ólafr Höskuldsson |
|
 Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
| reply to Kearnstd You do realize that private companies can not enforce laws right? Hence the reasons that the gov't enforces the law.
And no the gov't should NOT be in business to compete. If those areas that can't get U-Verse of Fiber or any services that they think they need- they need to start their own Co-Op and build out themselves. How do you think many rural areas got phone services that AT&T didn't want to wire back then? Co-ops are still alive and doing well and many of them have FTTH and had it well before VZ and Google decided to deploy. I can give you links to many of them. Hell, many actually provide quality support as well and are local companies, compared to Google |
|
 Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
| reply to Skippy25 waste of money and I'm not tied to any corp that offers broadband. If these people wanted faster and cheaper prices, then yes, they should pay for it and form a co-op. How do you think areas got things back when. They didn't want for the gov't to do it for them and ask/demand regulation; they actually stood on their own two feet and did it themselves. And this day many of those areas are far better off in terms of communications than NYC or other metro areas. |
|
 Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
| reply to djrobx They may not say that, their their TOS says that have an invisible cap. If you use too much yes they can enforce it.
Also as far as U-Verse goes, only certain customers see the 250gig cap. And that for the most part is residential. Business customers do not see that, nor are they charged a modem rental fee. |
|
 BiggA join:2005-11-23 EARTH Reviews:
·Comcast
| reply to keithps It depends on the implementation. In Tacoma, WA, they have Click!, which can't compete with Comcast, and here is Groton, CT, we used to have muni broadband until they sold it to a private investment firm. They do have an 860mhz HFC plant, however, compared to Comcast's 860mhz, so once they kill analog, they will either dominate or light enough of a fire under Comcast's butt to get them out of neutral and into plant upgrade mode.
Other systems, like FTTH, are incredible. What is definitely true is that no laws should be made preventing municipalities from building out. Competition can't hurt, and even if my local formerly muni-broadband network isn't very good, I can at least use it to threaten Comcast with after my 2-year deal is up... |
|
 | reply to elray said by elray:said by biochemistry:If they're using our tax money then it's probably the best use of tax money since the government brought electricity to us. They compete for security (police, military), roads, schools, etc. Why not internet? Because those are moneys already wasted - the federal government has no business in schools or police; roads and power are debatable, and we're a couple trillion short each year. If "better broadband" is so important to your community, put it to a vote - form and fund a coop, and get it done. Stop waiting for the rest of us to pay for it. But private corporations are some of the biggest recipients of public handouts ( ATT paid ZERO taxes AND got a enormous tax refund last year )
That is arguably the best government handout of all. |
|
 KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to elray if corporations ran the schools most of the country would have no education because it would not be freely available.
Then again that is what the 1% want. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
|
 | reply to TBusiness So what do you do when those same corporations who say an area is not profitable lobby members of congress to stop localities from doing just what you're saying? Yeah, you got nothing for that.  |
|
 elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | reply to Kearnstd said by Kearnstd:if corporations ran the schools most of the country would have no education because it would not be freely available.
Then again that is what the 1% want. Actually, the "1%" want the masses well-educated, so they are as intelligent and as cheap as the offshore labor force.
Unfortunately, the elites that run our country are not the "1%", they prefer to keep the masses ignorant - and that is why we have the massive public indoctrination system.
Public education is "free" by law, but it doesn't have to be operated by the government; we would see far superior results if schools were run competitively by corporations, and parents had the choice where to send their kids.
There is no public function that can't be contracted out, usually for the better. |
|
 | reply to elray Sadly, not all of us have a choice. I live in a rural area and AT&T is it for ISP choices. I have 2x 18/1 Uverse connections to my house, load balanced through pfsense so everyone gets an even share, but still, I'd love to have a choice that isn't AT&T. =)
Speedtest: »www.speedtest.net/result/2593001042.png |
|