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keithps
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join:2002-06-26
Soddy Daisy, TN
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·EPB Fiber Optics
reply to banditws6

Re: Such high prices!

And yet, people continue to bash on the muni-broadband. Probably because they are mad that for $70/month I can get 100/100. AT&T has U-verse availble here, but you can imagine the uptake rate is pretty low.
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RIP Dad (10-28-1955 to 4-10-2010)

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

1 recommendation

said by keithps:

And yet, people continue to bash on the muni-broadband. Probably because they are mad that for $70/month I can get 100/100. AT&T has U-verse availble here, but you can imagine the uptake rate is pretty low.

We will continue to bash. We have a choice, when it comes to whether we pay AT&T. Such is not the case when the government decides to "compete" using our tax money.

biochemistry
Premium
join:2003-05-09
92361
If they're using our tax money then it's probably the best use of tax money since the government brought electricity to us. They compete for security (police, military), roads, schools, etc. Why not internet?

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to elray
Few bash. Really it is only those that are have more to lose because their interest lies with the corporations and little to do with spending tax money. Those same people are perfectly fine with using our tax money to prop up the profits of those very same companies they are trying to protect.

And I would agree with the other poster. If our government decided to roll out fiber to every home and business it would be the best use of $500 billion dollars this nation has spent in a century.

Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to biochemistry
I think a lot of people forget about the rural electrification act. Which strangely enough happened because of the same reason rural areas lack good broadband. the private power companies stated that rural areas were not profitable.

It should be noted that projects like Hoover Dam are at least partially linked to such bills, And they have repaid themselves.
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

1 recommendation

reply to biochemistry
said by biochemistry:

If they're using our tax money then it's probably the best use of tax money since the government brought electricity to us. They compete for security (police, military), roads, schools, etc. Why not internet?

Because those are moneys already wasted - the federal government has no business in schools or police; roads and power are debatable, and we're a couple trillion short each year.

If "better broadband" is so important to your community, put it to a vote - form and fund a coop, and get it done. Stop waiting for the rest of us to pay for it.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
reply to Kearnstd
You do realize that private companies can not enforce laws right? Hence the reasons that the gov't enforces the law.

And no the gov't should NOT be in business to compete. If those areas that can't get U-Verse of Fiber or any services that they think they need- they need to start their own Co-Op and build out themselves. How do you think many rural areas got phone services that AT&T didn't want to wire back then? Co-ops are still alive and doing well and many of them have FTTH and had it well before VZ and Google decided to deploy. I can give you links to many of them. Hell, many actually provide quality support as well and are local companies, compared to Google

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
reply to Skippy25
waste of money and I'm not tied to any corp that offers broadband. If these people wanted faster and cheaper prices, then yes, they should pay for it and form a co-op. How do you think areas got things back when. They didn't want for the gov't to do it for them and ask/demand regulation; they actually stood on their own two feet and did it themselves. And this day many of those areas are far better off in terms of communications than NYC or other metro areas.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to keithps
It depends on the implementation. In Tacoma, WA, they have Click!, which can't compete with Comcast, and here is Groton, CT, we used to have muni broadband until they sold it to a private investment firm. They do have an 860mhz HFC plant, however, compared to Comcast's 860mhz, so once they kill analog, they will either dominate or light enough of a fire under Comcast's butt to get them out of neutral and into plant upgrade mode.

Other systems, like FTTH, are incredible. What is definitely true is that no laws should be made preventing municipalities from building out. Competition can't hurt, and even if my local formerly muni-broadband network isn't very good, I can at least use it to threaten Comcast with after my 2-year deal is up...


DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
00000
reply to elray
said by elray:

said by biochemistry:

If they're using our tax money then it's probably the best use of tax money since the government brought electricity to us. They compete for security (police, military), roads, schools, etc. Why not internet?

Because those are moneys already wasted - the federal government has no business in schools or police; roads and power are debatable, and we're a couple trillion short each year.

If "better broadband" is so important to your community, put it to a vote - form and fund a coop, and get it done. Stop waiting for the rest of us to pay for it.

But private corporations are some of the biggest recipients of public handouts ( ATT paid ZERO taxes AND got a enormous tax refund last year )

That is arguably the best government handout of all.

Kearnstd
Space Elf
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to elray
if corporations ran the schools most of the country would have no education because it would not be freely available.

Then again that is what the 1% want.
--
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports


tlylework

@steadfastdns.net
reply to TBBroadband
So what do you do when those same corporations who say an area is not profitable lobby members of congress to stop localities from doing just what you're saying?
Yeah, you got nothing for that.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd:

if corporations ran the schools most of the country would have no education because it would not be freely available.

Then again that is what the 1% want.

Actually, the "1%" want the masses well-educated, so they are as intelligent and as cheap as the offshore labor force.

Unfortunately, the elites that run our country are not the "1%", they prefer to keep the masses ignorant - and that is why we have the massive public indoctrination system.

Public education is "free" by law, but it doesn't have to be operated by the government; we would see far superior results if schools were run competitively by corporations, and parents had the choice where to send their kids.

There is no public function that can't be contracted out, usually for the better.


geeknik

join:2000-04-30
Luther, OK
reply to elray
Sadly, not all of us have a choice. I live in a rural area and AT&T is it for ISP choices. I have 2x 18/1 Uverse connections to my house, load balanced through pfsense so everyone gets an even share, but still, I'd love to have a choice that isn't AT&T. =)

Speedtest: »www.speedtest.net/result/2593001042.png


anonymousey

@174.141.212.x
reply to tlylework
lmao. How do you say nailed in french?

WhatNow
Premium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
reply to TBBroadband
The power co-op or private power companies should start building FTTH networks. It might be wise to stay out of the content business and just provide the cable to the side of the house like they do with power. Let independent companies provide the content and the inside the house equipment.

Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23
Mineral Wells, TX
reply to TBBroadband
the problem here though, is AT&T and others prohibit community start ups or smaller companies from goin in and takeing rural areas... it wouldn't be a issue if the cable co's and others would be willing to take the rural areas... but no instead AT&T, Verizon and others have been taking tax payers money for the last 10 years to build the network and never did... Universal Service fund.. so once again it comes back to the government.. if your gonna stand up for the corps make sure they are doing the job and not just milkin something they will never touch

Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23
Mineral Wells, TX
reply to elray
... problem here is the companies are prohibiting community broadband projects threw out all the states.. this should be illegal for them to prohibit anyone


jduffy
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join:2006-08-20
Cincinnati, OH
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Vonage
·net2phone
·Cincinnati Bell
·Skype
·Callcentric
·ooma
reply to Kearnstd
LOL, if corporations ran education, it would be 1/3rd the price and people would actually get an education. With government control now, it cost far more than it should and people get degrees without having an education.
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Atheists swear there is no Heaven, but pray there isn't a Hell.


Moropo
Premium
join:2002-07-28
Reviews:
·AT&T Southeast
·America Online
said by jduffy:

LOL, if corporations ran education, it would be 1/3rd the price and people would actually get an education. With government control now, it cost far more than it should and people get degrees without having an education.

Wow people actually believe this nonsense you just posted? Talk about NOT having an education (you).

If a corporation ran education, the only thing they would care about would be profits and their shareholders.

There are some things, such as education and healthcare, that NEEDS to be run by the government. But then again I look at your avatar and that explains everything...
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math PhD student (University of Miami)

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
Exactly. He's another one of these people who apparently failed social studies because he doesn't understand what socialism is.

biochemistry
Premium
join:2003-05-09
92361
reply to elray
You're paying for it already however except the money went into the private corporations' pockets and disappeared! Per, an article linked to on the front page: "The telcos have pocketed an estimated $340 billion — thats about $3,000 per household – to build-out Gores fantasy. Where is it?"

matrix3D

join:2006-09-27
Middletown, CT
reply to TBBroadband
The problem with that idea is the fact that it ignores that it is the GOVERNMENT who has setup this system of non-competition to begin with! The government grants these companies "franchises" in a lot of areas which is more or less nothing than creating a government-sanctioned monopoly or duopoly. Joe Dirt from the down the street can't simply start stringing up or burying fiber all around town simply because he decides to do so. If government just GOT OUT OF THE WAY, there would be a hell of a lot more competition than we have today and prices would be a hell of a lot lower.