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Re: MODEM - Options great reply TypeS; is there a way of knowing what type of remote you will be on without first going out to find it in your neighbourhood?
what modems do you recommend and why assuming that BYOM goes through? |
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Just adding my support too. I'm ready to order 50/10 but I need a modem that functions in bridge mode for my network configuration. |
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s0dhi
join:2011-08-02
Brampton, ON | reply to TSI Marc
+1 for me...
I'm already on 50/10 using my own Zyxel but have been throwing away rental fees for the last year. |
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TypeS
join:2012-12-17
London, ON Reviews:
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said by Jonathan987:great reply TypeS; is there a way of knowing what type of remote you will be on without first going out to find it in your neighbourhood?
what modems do you recommend and why assuming that BYOM goes through?
From what others have posted, the only way to be 100% sure what remote you're on is once you have a VDSL service active and TekSavvy pulls your line stats. Apparently you can tell by the outside chassis holding the remote equipment if you find it, although I wouldn't take that as a guarantee.
If you're on a 7330 Remote, these are the modems by consensus:
ZyXEL VSG1432
ZyXEL Prestige 870H-51A v2
Hauwei HG610
Actiontec (Not sure what model numbers, I don't think any were ever posted, but they have a few).
I think BYOM is in the air at the momment. Velcom is started offering BYOM (but that doesn't make the Stinger vs 7330 problem go away), Start has stated they are working to get a separate modem certified (no more details given) and TekSavvy has said you will be able to buyout a Bell modem and they're working on BYOM. As I understand it, right now Bell ties VDSL2 service to a Sagemcom or Cellpipe modem serial number. Maybe Marc's haggling Bell to allow BYOM, who knows. So I would hold off on investing in a modem, renting a Sagemcom is the safe way to go for now. |
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join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON | the Sagemcom serial isn't actually tied to the service I believe, it's just that Bell registers the serial in their DB and refuses to turn up service without it right now. |
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said by TypeS:Apparently you can tell by the outside chassis holding the remote equipment if you find it, although I wouldn't take that as a guarantee. The physical cabinet is of little help in cases like the earlier photograph that shows a probable 7330 + stinger setup. |
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TypeS
join:2012-12-17
London, ON Reviews:
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| said by InvalidError:said by TypeS:Apparently you can tell by the outside chassis holding the remote equipment if you find it, although I wouldn't take that as a guarantee. The physical cabinet is of little help in cases like the earlier photograph that shows a probable 7330 + stinger setup. Yeah, that's why I said I wouldn't the physical cabinet as any kind of guarantee what type of remote a person can be on. Renting the first month is probably the best option so a person can find out what remote they're on and troubleshoot any issues before going the BYOM route. |
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I just thought I would throw out there that I am, unfortunately, on a Lucent Stinger OSLAM and I am using my own modem. I have a Sagemcom that I had to rent but it would choke out if I opened too many TCP or UDP connections and give the "Sync no Surf" problem referenced in other threads here on DSL Reports. The Sagemcom does not really do bridged mode. I was able to log into the modems *nix shell and run top while the modem was running and the CPU usage would go up the more connections I had open. With just one connection open maxing out my 25/10 connection the CPU usage was low. However, if I saturated my connection with many smaller connections like a typical BitTorrent connection would do, top would show 100% CPU usage and eventually the modem would first stop allowing new connections then start dropping packets. As a result I bought myself a ZyXEL P870M-I1-V2 which is a VDSL bridge. Since it is just a bridge it means I have to set the VLAN ID myself with my router to 35 or else I will get no connection at all (I use a Cisco ASA but you can use many Tomato compatible routers as well). The other catch is with this modem you get the same upstream sync issue with the Stinger OSLAMs as you get on these with a ADSL2+ modem, you will not likely sync at your full upstream rate. As an example below you will see my line stats, taken about 10-20 minutes apart, with the Zyxel and then the Sagecomm:
GAS: 416-XXX-XXXX - In Service
Last State Change: 11/27 17:57:44 (Uptime: 16680)
Line Profile: V26944-20032_11328-2048_00011
DLM State: DISABLED | Equip. Type: OSLAM
Sync Rate: d26936.0/u6416.0 kbps
RCO: d37.0/u88.0%
Noise Margin: d30.0/u6.0 dB
Power: d14.0/u-21.0 dB
Attenuation: d19.0/u15.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 1.38~1.89km)
Block Count: d11612.0/u2442.0
GAS: 416-XXX-XXXX - In Service
Last State Change: 11/27 23:06:27 (Uptime: 2160)
Line Profile: V26944-20032_11328-2048_00011
DLM State: DISABLED | Equip. Type: OSLAM
Sync Rate: d26936.0/u11320.0 kbps
RCO: d38.0/u83.0%
Noise Margin: d28.0/u8.0 dB
Power: d14.0/u-13.0 dB
Attenuation: d18.0/u16.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 1.3~1.89km)
Block Count: d201.0/u225.0
Note that the RCO actually goes down when the upstream sync rate increases from 6416 to 113200. The well known issue with ADSL2+ modems not being able to obtain a full 1096kbs upstream sync on Lucent Stinger OSLAMs and often syncing at a max of 824kbs seems to also happen with VDSL2 as well.
I find this highly annoying as I went to VDSL2 for the upstream rate. I don't need 25mbps down, to be honest I'd be happy with a symmetric 10mbps link. But since the Sagemcom is highly unstable this was my only choice. The Zyxel P870M-I1-V2, while not giving me my full upstream rate, is at least stable. It has yet to loose sync once or require a single reboot since I started using it at the end of November 2012. The Sagemcomm I never ran long enough to gauge how well it kept sync but it required nearly hourly reboots.
Out of curiosity, has anyone found a non-bell modem that will give a proper upstream sync on a Stinger? I am tempted to try to run over the OSLAM on my street in hopes they will replace it with a 7330 (joking of course but just barely).
Twinge |
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TypeS
join:2012-12-17
London, ON | Do you know of anywhere that still has stock of the P870M-I1-V2? To my knowledge that modem is no longer in production by ZyXEL, so finding one is pretty tough. |
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I bought it online. Had to special order it because of it's age so it was quite expensive, about $250cndn with shipping and duties iirc. When I am able I will try to find the invoice so I can let you know the place.
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many thanks for this post; it's quite detailed. So you are saying that the Zyxel P870M-I1-V2 is just as good as the ones which TypeS recommended? Here was his list again:
ZyXEL VSG1432
ZyXEL Prestige 870H-51A v2
Hauwei HG610
Actiontec (Not sure what model numbers, I don't think any were ever posted, but they have a few).
So if you are on the Stinger OSLAM then there really isn't a modem that like the Sagemcom that will give you the full uplink sync, but also be stable like the Zyxel that you are using? |
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thanks for your reply TypeS, yeah it'd be nice to see the BYOM become legit without having to rent.
I've tried searching for the ZyXEL P870M-I1-V2 to no avail; it would be nice to have a unit that is simply a bridge without all the extra ports and wifi, etc. |
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said by Jonathan987:many thanks for this post; it's quite detailed. So you are saying that the Zyxel P870M-I1-V2 is just as good as the ones which TypeS recommended?
That ZyXEL will probably only work on Stingers.
ZyXEL VSG1432 (BCM6368)
ZyXEL Prestige 870H-51A v2 (BCM6368)
Hauwei HG610 (BCM6368)
Actiontec Q1000/V1000 (BCM6368)
Zyxel P870M-I1-V2 (Ikanos ?) |
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| »I would love to see the sagemcom fast 3784 get approved
The sagemcom f@st 3784 is an ikanos chip based multi-mode modem, wonder how it preforms on the troublesome Bell Stingers.
I think it's either a vx-160 (vdsl patched) or vx-180 chip. And I believe the 2864's are vx-180's. |
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