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Re: MODEM - Options Agreed. My guess is that most TekSavvy customers upgrading to 50/10 are probably not going to be happy unless they can use their own routers. Hoping this gets sorted out. |
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I'm hoping we get new firmware to unlock it AND that an unlocked one does bridge mode.
Hopefully Marc can get an answer from Bell (or sagemcom directly  ). |
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This might be the wrong thread but can someone direct me to a topic discussing good router options?
I'm current running a Dlink dir-655 draft N. |
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said by SimplePanda:Agreed. My guess is that most TekSavvy customers upgrading to 50/10 are probably not going to be happy unless they can use their own routers. Hoping this gets sorted out. As long as they land on an Alcatel 73xx remote, there is the Telus-land Zyxel modem option. |
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said by Scycotic:I think it's actually $30 + 6* $15, but with the first $15 payment in the first month...so it would be $30 + $90 = $120. Slightly higher than purchasing it at once, but many people don't like paying large investments at once, and would rather split it up over a length of time even if it means paying more...not everyone has the cash flow necessary... That's how I read it. If anything, that is a bit cheap. Financing is a big pain for any company, and maybe Teksavvy should be trying to recoup costs a little more than that.. Of course, if you are going to do it at all, you have to make it at least somewhat attractive. It is tough...
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said by TSI Marc:With $20 discount if you buy our modem... It's a decent option for those looking to spread the initial hit over 6 months. Does that make the cost breakdown on a new order with rental into this (assumes Cable 18 aka Cable 25 service):$39.95 Service
$45.00 Activation (with discount applied)
$30.00 Modem downpayment
$15.00 Modem rent
$10.00 Modem shipping
Then $39.95+$15 for 5 more months, and $39.95 after And similarly on VDSL (25/10 service, assumes Band B)$39.99 Service
$25 Activation (assuming $25 discount for buying modem?)
$0 Dry Loop Activation
$9.10 Band Rate (monthly charge)
$60 Modem downpayment
$15 Modem rent
$10 Modem Shipping
Then $39.99+$9.10+$15 for 5 more months, and $39.99+$9.10 after Thanks in advance!
minor edits..
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| said by Teddy Boom:And similarly on VDSL (25/10 service, assumes Band B) $39.99 Service
$25 Activation (with $25 discount for buying modem?)
A discount on activation for buying a modem has not been announced for any of the /10 upload tiers. |
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I can't wait for the modem purchase to become available. I'm going to sign up for 25/10 for $39.99. |
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said by Teddy Boom:said by TSI Marc:With $20 discount if you buy our modem... It's a decent option for those looking to spread the initial hit over 6 months. Does that make the cost breakdown on a new order with rental into this (assumes Cable 18 aka Cable 25 service): $39.95 Service
$45.00 Activation (with discount applied)
$30.00 Modem downpayment
$15.00 Modem rent
$10.00 Modem shipping
Then $39.95+$15 for 5 more months, and $39.95 after And similarly on VDSL (25/10 service, assumes Band B) $39.99 Service
$25 Activation (assuming $25 discount for buying modem?)
$0 Dry Loop Activation
$9.10 Band Rate (monthly charge)
$60 Modem downpayment
$15 Modem rent
$10 Modem Shipping
Then $39.99+$9.10+$15 for 5 more months, and $39.99+$9.10 after Thanks in advance! minor edits.. all looks good except the $25 discount for modem on DSL will be removed. I hadn't realised that was there from prior.
It will be removed later this week. Sorry about that.
and, of course, if you have either our Unlimited TekTalk or Local Phone, there's no dry loop monthly either...
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so does this mean we can finally start using our own vdsl2 modems without paying that stupid bell modem rental charge monthly?
i find it stupid we were forced to use that locked down sagemcom from bell even though we are not with bell.
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| said by infamouskid:so does this mean we can finally start using our own vdsl2 modems without paying that stupid bell modem rental charge monthly?
i find it stupid we were forced to use that locked down sagemcom from bell even though we are not with bell.
As long as you own a Sagemcom apparently. |
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People are trying to jump to the conclusion that bringing your own modem that isn't a Sagecom or Cellpipe will be allowed but I don't think Marc or any TSI folks have actually replied to any of those posts and said yes.
For 25/10 packages it sounds like using one of these will be fine and not having to pay a rental is a nice change.
For the 50/10 package it sounds like there is no ideal solution if you want to use your own router unless the de-Bell'ed firmware that is likely coming with change things but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
In my case 50/10 isn't available so I should be good. Although I would feel more comfortable buying my Sagecom if I knew I could move to 50/10 when it's available here. I surely will upgrade my service as soon as it's available but hopefully by then we'll have a more clear solution for 50/10 and using your own router. |
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| said by darrylr:People are trying to jump to the conclusion that bringing your own modem that isn't a Sagecom or Cellpipe will be allowed but I don't think Marc or any TSI folks have actually replied to any of those posts and said yes.
I think you can use any modem that works if you ALSO own a Sagemcom.
It sucks but I think that is how it stands now.
If the new firmware will allow a real bridge mode then I don't mind buying a Sagemcom.
If a new firmware doesn't fix bridge mode then it is a useless purchase IMO. |
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said by darrylr:People are trying to jump to the conclusion that bringing your own modem that isn't a Sagecom or Cellpipe will be allowed but I don't think Marc or any TSI folks have actually replied to any of those posts and said yes.
Ya I'm really hoping for some more clarification on this.
How can you say, "ya you can bring your own modem" and in the same breath say, "it has to be obtained from us (bell) and can only be one of these two models" -- Pardon the expression but your sucking and blowing at the same time.
to me, BYOM means, I can bring ANY modem I want, sourced from anywhere I want, and it's my responsibility to make sure it's compatible with the xSLAM.
Here's what I want clarification on..... If I opt to BYOM, does teksavvy ( and by extension Bell ) care what brand it is at the end of the day?
Clarify that Bell only wants serial numbers from the modem if it is indeed a sagemcom or cellpipe. (likely to push firmwares if I had to speculate)
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| The other clarification needed would be if BYOM would mean Bell would still support trouble tickets or tell you that you're SOL like the CableCOs do when you use an unsupported modem.
Read a post where Bell wouldnt troubleshoot because somsone used a router behind a Sagemcom. So it seems Bell is much for fussy with VDSL. |
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said by bjlockie:If the new firmware will allow a real bridge mode then I don't mind buying a Sagemcom.
If a new firmware doesn't fix bridge mode then it is a useless purchase IMO. Is there really such a thing as a "real bridged mode" on DSL modems? Most modems will bridge PPPoE connections even when they aren't in "bridged mode", all "bridged mode" does is disable DHCP server and PPPoE if configured.
If the Sagem's bridge performance problem gets fixed, it will most likely bridge just as good regardless of whether it is in "real" or "fake" bridge mode. |
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| said by InvalidError:said by bjlockie:If the new firmware will allow a real bridge mode then I don't mind buying a Sagemcom.
If a new firmware doesn't fix bridge mode then it is a useless purchase IMO. Is there really such a thing as a "real bridged mode" on DSL modems? Most modems will bridge PPPoE connections even when they aren't in "bridged mode", all "bridged mode" does is disable DHCP server and PPPoE if configured. If the Sagem's bridge performance problem gets fixed, it will most likely bridge just as good regardless of whether it is in "real" or "fake" bridge mode. By "real" I'd guess you mean layer 2. Zyxel's routers do this, yes. You can L2 bridge the WAN to the LAN.
Fair point though - I don't care if it's L2 bridging or software passthrough - if it can happen at the rate of the WAN interface with no appreciable latency added then I'm happy. |
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| said by SimplePanda:Fair point though - I don't care if it's L2 bridging or software passthrough Considering that xDSL modems do most of their work as DSP, even the L1 stuff is technically done in software.
In terms of a L2 forwarding rule table, PPPoE pass-through or bridge is nothing more than a rule to forward PPPoE-related stuff without passing through the full router processing code path so the pass-through performance should be very similar in either mode if properly implemented.
There must be something seriously wrong in the way the Sagem's firmware does it for pass-through performance to be so much worse than routed... something like no L2 screening before sending traffic to routing software and PPPoE being dead last in the rule table so you get the worst possible processing overhead penalty on every PPPoE packet. |
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For those with a Cellpipe, will we be able to switch to Sagecom? Is the Sagecom better? |
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| said by Edward_K:For those with a Cellpipe, will we be able to switch to Sagecom? Is the Sagecom better?
Ed_K from Tosho? 
Seems rocca over @ Start is working on a modem for VDSL that isn't Bell's Sagemcom. Perhaps the people wanting to BYOM should wait and see what they come up with. They'll release the make and model and then go find what e-tailer sells it. Or just buy it off Start.
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