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Re: [poll] What will happen with Win8?said by Link Logger:Not at all, what has changed on your computer in the last 20+ years? Oh, now we're talking about me rather than the majority. That's easier. - Multiple displays - Large dispays, 30" & two 27" - RAID array in my workstation - multiple processors with multiple cores - lower latency mice - surround sound - SSD's ... I don't think I should go on because this seems silly. A touch screen display would do sweet-FA for me as I'm not going to lean across my desk swiping a 30" display. That's ridiculous. For personal computers, people want bigger, faster, stronger. Touch? Uh, sure... why not, throw that in as a bonus. |
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said by urbanriot:A touch screen display would do sweet-FA for me as I'm not going to lean across my desk swiping a 30" display. That's ridiculous. ^ This |
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said by urbanriot:- Multiple displays
- Large dispays, 30" & two 27"
- RAID array in my workstation
- multiple processors with multiple cores
- lower latency mice
- surround sound
- SSD's
There are revolutionary changes and there are evolutionary changes. All you have listed, perhaps with the exception of SSDs are belong to the latter. On the other hand, tablets, touch screens, pens, and smartphones are revolutionary. BTW, I did have a dual monitor 286 system in the late 80's -- it had one 640x480 color monitor (driven by a Verticom M16) and one Hercules monochrome monitor. |
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said by aurgathor: There are revolutionary changes and there are evolutionary changes. All you have listed, perhaps with the exception of SSDs are belong to the latter.
On the other hand, tablets, touch screens, pens, and smartphones are revolutionary.
You're trying to combine apples with oranges. It's one thing to say "PC's, tablets, smartphones were revolutionary" but we're specifically discussing one of those platforms and how we use it. Your suggestion of what's revolutionary and evolutionary is purely in the eye of the beholder. Touch screens have been around for ages, as have tablet PC's, and I see a PC with a touch screen far less revolutionary than the ability for my workstation to have a RAID5 array or 12 cores. Watching a kid play a PC game with 5.1 sound made me say 'wow', while a touch screen on a home PC made me wonder how often they have to clean it. The all-in-one form factor hovers around 0 on my care meter. However a tablet with all my favorites, documents, music, and a smoothly intuitive OS, that's a revolutionary experience. That's a game changer. Trying to push a half-assed tablet experience onto the desktop? That's a negative experience... which is evidenced by sales. I have many tablets, I have two smart phones, I have an ultrabook, I have an HTPC and I have a workhorse PC, and every one of those devices serves its own purpose in my day to day life and I doubt you'll find a way to combine them all together in the next decade... not until you can shove the fastest PC in the same form factor as a tablet. |
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said by urbanriot:Oh, now we're talking about me rather than the majority. That's easier.
- Multiple displays
- Large dispays, 30" & two 27"
- RAID array in my workstation
- multiple processors with multiple cores
- lower latency mice
- surround sound
- SSD's
... I don't think I should go on because this seems silly.
A touch screen display would do sweet-FA for me as I'm not going to lean across my desk swiping a 30" display. That's ridiculous.
For personal computers, people want bigger, faster, stronger. Touch? Uh, sure... why not, throw that in as a bonus.
Bigger and Faster, none of those changed how you interfaced with your computer. We have spent the last xeon of time sitting in a chair with a keyboard and mouse, but people have always wanted something more, computing to go if you may which requires a different interface, hence Windows 8. We might actually get to the holy grail of computing, speech interface within 10 years, but when you look at the brain activity scanning devices I have in my office, maybe in 50 years and you and your computer will be using a thought interface, you think porn is popular now, just wait. Like I say Windows 7 might be pinnacle of sitting down, keyboard and mouse computing and that isn't so bad as Windows 7 is a hell of an OS, so perhaps the solution to the problems everyone is having is to offer Windows 7 on desktops and make Windows 8 the OS for all those other devices, but that does leave the question of how do I develop apps for Windows 8 as development requires a desktop system. Blake |
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Their integration of two gui was just horrible, I mean seriously only being able to make new user accounts from the metro control panel, then having to go to the desktop control panel to make new users an admin? They really had their head good, and lodged up their butt. |
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said by BlitzenZeus:Their integration of two gui was just horrible, I mean seriously only being able to make new user accounts from the metro control panel, then having to go to the desktop control panel to make new users an admin? They really had their head good, and lodged up their butt.
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt at the moment given its rev 1 and this bridging of two different methods is pretty dam tough, so I'm very interested in rev 2 as that will indicate the direction and speed of progress. That said I'm still running Windows 8 everywhere, but I have to test the software I develop against everything from Windows XP on up, love virtual machines and old hardware for that testing. Blake |
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said by BlitzenZeus:Their integration of two gui was just horrible, I mean seriously only being able to make new user accounts from the metro control panel, then having to go to the desktop control panel to make new users an admin? They really had their head good, and lodged up their butt.
I don't see what you are getting at here. If you open the standard control panel, and then go to "System and Security", then "Administrative tools", and then finally "Computer Management", you get the same screen that was present in Windows 7. From there, you can add new users, new groups, etc, and even place your new user in the local administrative group. I just did that the other day when I was testing something. There was a thread about Windows 8 and the task manager showing a UAC prompt. So, to test it on my system, I created a new test user. I did not need to add them to the local admin group, but if I wanted to, the functionally is still there. --Brian |
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said by Link Logger:said by BlitzenZeus:Their integration of two gui was just horrible, I mean seriously only being able to make new user accounts from the metro control panel, then having to go to the desktop control panel to make new users an admin? They really had their head good, and lodged up their butt.
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt at the moment given its rev 1 and this bridging of two different methods is pretty dam tough, That's where they went wrong to begin with, attempting to do that at all... |
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You must be dense, the users snapin has never been included in the home versions. |
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Well, I've only run the non-home versions of Windows 7 and 8 (Enterprise for 7, and Pro for 8). So, I just assumed it was there in the other versions too.
Looks like I'm wrong. Thanks for pointing that out.
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said by Link Logger: but people have always wanted something more, computing to go if you may which requires a different interface, hence Windows 8.
You refer to 'people' when you should be using 'I'. You're applying your needs and desires onto everyone else and you're factually wrong as evidenced by sales. A minority of people get all whizbang silly when it comes to touch PC's, the rest of the population doesn't seem to keen on bringing up a screen keyboard to type up their emails on their PC... |
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said by urbanriot:You refer to 'people' when you should be using 'I'. You're applying your needs and desires onto everyone else and you're factually wrong as evidenced by sales. Hardly just me, as evidenced by the sales of tablets like the Surface and iPads and smart phones that people are using to do desktop like tasks. Desktop sales are dropping and many predict that tablet/laptop sales will surpass desktop sales this year, for example: » www.digitimes.com/news/a ··· &q=APPLEBlake |
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said by Kerodo:That's where they went wrong to begin with, attempting to do that at all...
Are you saying this shouldn't have done this at all, or perhaps a different way? Blake |
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said by Link Logger:said by Kerodo:That's where they went wrong to begin with, attempting to do that at all...
Are you saying this shouldn't have done this at all, or perhaps a different way? Blake A separate OS for tablets would have been wiser, leaving the traditional desktop/laptop OS as is. Touch will never go over on the traditional machines. If not that, then query the hardware during install, and configure with Metro for touch machines, and no Metro for non-touch machines. Something more intelligent than the mess they created with 8. |
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said by Kerodo:A separate OS for tablets would have been wiser, leaving the traditional desktop/laptop OS as is.
Apple was wise enough to know that. Google too. |
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said by Kerodo:A separate OS for tablets would have been wiser, leaving the traditional desktop/laptop OS as is. Having an option for the traditional desktop would've been more than enough. |
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