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Doeboye

join:2006-11-07
Ottawa, ON
reply to mario9999998

Re: affordable router to handle 150/10?

said by mario9999998:

Real-world use of RT-N66u (Atom worked fine, N66u capped at 200mbps on a pppoe connection with SPI/QOS disabled):
»forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showp···count=29

Thanks for the link! A very interesting read!

My understanding though, is that the issue seems to be that the connection is over pppoe and the slow-down is caused by the extra processing required. Non-pppoe implementations should have much higher WAN to LAN numbers, right? Closer to the 700+ mbps that smallnetbuilder claims...


clarknova

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EdgeRouter Lite. Gig-speed routing and accelerated VPN. You'll need a separate AP and switch with it, but great value for $99.

»www.ubnt.com/edgemax#EdgeMAXhardware
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mario9999998

join:2000-08-25
Canada
reply to Doeboye

Keep in mind the 700mbps rate as tested is with most features stripped down. I'd be interested in seeing how the N66u (or a router like it) performs with a 150/10 connection with commonly used features turned on/used (like QOS, SPI, not using DMZ... so NAT, UDP streams... video and uTorrent DHT, etc...) and VPN (less common, but still widely used).

It's like testing out a racecar by only timing straight line speed and saying it's the best because of this one test. Most races have turns, fuel economy is a factor, etc...


Doeboye

join:2006-11-07
Ottawa, ON
reply to Optional

Here's another thread discussing throughput of an Asus RT-N56U (similar performance numbers to the RT-N66U router) on a 1000mbps (Google Fiber?) connection:

»forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showt···?t=10540

The relevant part is this:

"I recently subscribed to 1000Mb/s fiber. I have a Huawei modem/router, but it has been set to pure modem mode.

If I connect my W520 directly to the modem and run myspeedmeter.net after disabling all my AV/firewall software to max speed, I regularly get 800-900M down, 700+M up. This is with nothing else plugged into the modem, even a router.

If I connect my W520 directly to my RT-NT56U, even without setting jumbo frames etc. on the W520 and with all other settings being the same (i.e. no firewall/AV), I get similar speeds. However, this is only with nothing else plugged into the NT56U."

That seems promising for anyone looking for a modem for 150mbps...


Cloneman

join:2002-08-29
Montreal
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reply to Optional

excellent find mario9999998.


Doeboye

join:2006-11-07
Ottawa, ON
reply to Optional

So the curiosity was getting the best of me and I decided to test the maximum throughput with wireless on and off, of my Asus RT-N16 running TomatoUSB .

For anyone interested in trying, these are the steps that I followed (Thank you "Chuzein Part II"!! ):

»superuser.com/a/439919

A caveat: I did not connect directly from one computer to the other through the router. There was a ProCurve unmanaged switch in between, as well as one hundred feet of cat6, 70 feet of cat6a (in the walls), and 25ft of cat5e (tested and running at gigabit speeds without issue).

Frankly, I was too lazy to pull everything apart, so I went with the easiest way to get the test working . I doubt a straight connection would have made a significant difference.

Also, I did not perform the most scientific of tests. I was merely interested if I would see transfers over 150mbps WAN to LAN, with wireless off. I shared a folder on the 'WAN' PC, and transferred to and from that folder from the 'LAN' PC.

Results (Rough averages):

Wireless Off
WAN to LAN: 12-13000 KB/s (94 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 14-16000 KB/s (110 -125 mbps)

Wireless On
WAN to LAN: 11-13000 KB/s (86 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 12-15000 KB/s (94 -117 mbps)

'Measured' in the Real-Time Bandwidth view of Tomato.

CONCLUSIONS:

1. It looks like wireless functionality does not take a large bite of the router's performance.

2. LAN to WAN is actually a bit faster

3. Anyone with an Asus RT-N16 who is considering getting the 150/10 package, will need to upgrade their router if they want to maximize download speeds.

Hope this helps anyone in a similar situation as I'm in!


mario9999998

join:2000-08-25
Canada

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Interesting, but for most people still more than fast enough. Matches up with SNB's testing.


arth33

join:2008-06-04
Ottawa, ON
reply to Doeboye

said by Doeboye:

Wireless Off
WAN to LAN: 12-13000 KB/s (94 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 14-16000 KB/s (110 -125 mbps)

Wireless On
WAN to LAN: 11-13000 KB/s (86 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 12-15000 KB/s (94 -117 mbps)

Wait, isn't LAN to WAN effectively the upload speed? If so, how are these speeds so high? I know this is a slightly unrelated question, but should LAN to WAN speeds be around 10mbps in a 150/10 connection?

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.

mario9999998

join:2000-08-25
Canada

said by arth33:

said by Doeboye:

Wireless Off
WAN to LAN: 12-13000 KB/s (94 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 14-16000 KB/s (110 -125 mbps)

Wireless On
WAN to LAN: 11-13000 KB/s (86 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 12-15000 KB/s (94 -117 mbps)

Wait, isn't LAN to WAN effectively the upload speed? If so, how are these speeds so high? I know this is a slightly unrelated question, but should LAN to WAN speeds be around 10mbps in a 150/10 connection?

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.

He's testing the router using two local computers (one on the WAN port and one on LAN) to test the router's max capabilities... not on an actual internet connection.

arth33

join:2008-06-04
Ottawa, ON

Ahh, gotcha. Makes sense now.


Doeboye

join:2006-11-07
Ottawa, ON

said by arth33:

Ahh, gotcha. Makes sense now.

My concern was the new 150/10 package would be too much for my existing router. Now, I know for sure that if I want to upgrade to that package (come July), I'll need a new router as well as a new modem (Currently have a 4x4 6120)...

I'm not super disappointed about being forced to upgrade. I do like the option with some of the higher end routers to be able to set up a secondary network for visitors. My passkey is a ridiculously long string and it's always a pain to get a visitor onto the internet. I can make an internet-only SSID with a simpler passkey for them!



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The basic results of his test are that you need something newer than the RT-N16 to drive the new 150 meg service. It was a 2.4 GHz device anyhow, so a newer router can upgrade your wifi too.

It's not the CPU that matters so much; the RT-N16 and the N66U have virtually the same CPU/SoC (same CPU core, 25% higher clockspeed in N66U), yet the N66U can route like 8x more throughput. The CPU isn't doing the routing anyhow, it's offloaded to dedicated hardware.
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The 66Us only runs on the dedicated NAT chip with QOS/SPI disabled on ASUS firmware. If you use those features or alternate firmware, its all CPU.



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Just thought I'd add that the TP-Link TL-WDR3600 and TL-WDR4300 both can handle 150/10 easily according to this review of both units:

»uk.hardware.info/reviews/3423/5/···ts-wired

TL-WDR3600 $65: »www.canadacomputers.com/product_···d=054507

TL WDR4300 $75: »www.canadacomputers.com/product_···d=050695

A store in London has the TL-WDR3600 for $60, if you're in or around the London area. CC might price match them too since the store ships via e-mail orders.

»megacomputer.ca/index.php/main/P···NWTP0088

But I still recommend the Asus RT-N56u as the best quality one of routers around the $100 mark.


bbhog

join:2010-07-05
North York, ON

The 4300 is actually showing as $75.

I currently have the TL-WR1043ND. I've been happy with it, but the wireless performance wasn't so good with it.



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said by anon user :

The 66Us only runs on the dedicated NAT chip with QOS/SPI disabled on ASUS firmware. If you use those features or alternate firmware, its all CPU.

There's other hardware acceleration going on there. The RT-N16 and N66U have an identical CPU but for clockspeed (they're both the 74K core, IIRC), and the throughput with QoS on for the N66U far outpaces what the difference in clockspeed can account for alone.
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TypeS

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said by bbhog:

The 4300 is actually showing as $75.

I currently have the TL-WR1043ND. I've been happy with it, but the wireless performance wasn't so good with it.

My bad, ya $75.

The TL-WR1043ND however caps out at 122Mbps.

bbhog

join:2010-07-05
North York, ON

Yeah but I only get 5 Mbps wireless


Doeboye

join:2006-11-07
Ottawa, ON
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Looks like NCIX has the wdr4300 for $69.99 today (Until April 3rd)...

»www.ncix.com/products/?sku=74472···oid=1334


morisato

join:2008-03-16
Oshawa, ON

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Looking at getting a wndr3700 for $89.99 seems like a good deal. but i will check this wndr4300 as well, Not sure hrmm which to get 90 or 120
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said by morisato:

Looking at getting a wndr3700 for $89.99 seems like a good deal. but i will check this wndr4300 as well, Not sure hrmm which to get 90 or 120

WNDR3700 is a nice little box - but - that was then. If you're going to buy a high end router you might want to start looking at either the Netgear R6300 AC or one of the Asus RT-AC66U as next generation 802.11ac is now starting to cascade down to consumers offering Gigabit speed ranges. At least you'll be "future proof" for the next two years at best guess until the next stepping in vendors and IEEE standards ratchets up another notch.

**Btw don't forget MikroTik also has some 802.11ac gear.
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EdT

join:2009-06-12
Saint-Laurent, QC

Agreed on the ASUS RT-AC66U and RT-N66U. These are all around routers that will provide the best performance/cost on WiFi Rx/Tx strength and data throughput. I don't like the Cisco EA4500 or the NetGear R6300 routers because they don't have external removable antennas. Many routers that claim high power WiFi have other weaknesses like poor data throughput.

For example Amped Wireless series of router have powerful WiFi signals that can penetrate through anything, but data throughput is horrible !


morisato

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All the routers you guys are suggesting are costing like $200 bucks, i will go with my 90 dollar router that will do me for 2-3 years P:) It has wifi should i want it and it covers me for wired nicely which is what i use most often anyways.
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EdT

join:2009-06-12
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Here is a little secret, Amped Wireless R10000 is going for $69.99 at Staples.ca, they made a real price typo which they still have not yet corrected. The R10000 still sells for over $110+ at BB, FS elsewhere !


morisato

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i will check it out Considering i have a WAp610n and a 8 port gigabit switch i am tempted atm to just Connect the 2 and use the modem for DHCP and be Cheap, Instead what do u all think of this solution?
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Doeboye

join:2006-11-07
Ottawa, ON
reply to EdT

The r10000 appears to be a 10/100 router. Wan and lan. It won't be sufficient for a 150mbps connection ...


morisato

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Whoops your right it is 10/100 No go

Appears the wap610n Gives good signal for me after disabling all the Otherwireless devices in my home My question i guess then becomes does the dcm476 do dhcp? or will i need a router between anyways.. hrmms
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EdT

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Only the wired LAN network is 10/100, the WiFi network is 300Mbps, I didn't care about the LAN connection speed as I am using it for it's WiFi prowess for my Android PCs and didn't want to fork out another $30 for their R20000G. You are not going to find a brand new 600mW N300 WiFi router with dual ultra low noise amplifiers and US based tech support for $69.99 no matter how hard you try ! Almost all of those sub $100 routers have only 50-120mW of power at most and 99.9% of them will never list their actual WiFi tx/rx power anywhere !

They have their older single band gigabit R10000G which has the gigabit WAN/LAN for $129 and their newest top of the line R20000G dual band gigbit WAN/LAN which normally sells for $179 for $99, another dumb price typo on Staples part ! ...LoL



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said by EdT:

Only the wired LAN network is 10/100, the WiFi network is 300Mbps, I didn't care about the LAN connection speed as I am using it for it's WiFi prowess for my Android PCs and didn't want to fork out another $30 for their R20000G. You are not going to find a brand new 600mW N300 WiFi router with dual ultra low noise amplifiers and US based tech support for $69.99 no matter how hard you try ! Almost all of those sub $100 routers have only 50-120mW of power at most and 99.9% of them will never list their actual WiFi tx/rx power anywhere !

They have their older single band gigabit R10000G which has the gigabit WAN/LAN for $129 and their newest top of the line R20000G dual band gigbit WAN/LAN which normally sells for $179 for $99, another dumb price typo on Staples part ! ...LoL

You're missing the point though, at least with the R1000 you pointed out with only 10/100 LAN and 10/100 WAN, the cable modem will connect via that 10/100 WAN port, so it will cripple you to 66% of the speed you're getting on 150/10, so the wire speed really matters there.

I think some of the people pushing the top-end routers have also missed the point of the thread. The OP wasn't looking for the latest and greatest wireless performance but the minimum router that could enable him to use a 150/10 cable connection. Explaining the benefits of 802.11ac is moot, the OP said he wanted to avoid the $200 mark.

Doeboye

join:2006-11-07
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From what I can see, the best deal right now for a router that can support 150mbps through the WAN port, and come in under $100, is still the TP-Link TL-WDR4300 on sale at NCIX (Today's the last day) that I linked to earlier. $70 is hard to beat, and the router gets pretty solid reviews...