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Re: affordable router to handle 150/10? Thanks for the link! A very interesting read!
My understanding though, is that the issue seems to be that the connection is over pppoe and the slow-down is caused by the extra processing required. Non-pppoe implementations should have much higher WAN to LAN numbers, right? Closer to the 700+ mbps that smallnetbuilder claims... |
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EdgeRouter Lite. Gig-speed routing and accelerated VPN. You'll need a separate AP and switch with it, but great value for $99.
»www.ubnt.com/edgemax#EdgeMAXhardware
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Keep in mind the 700mbps rate as tested is with most features stripped down. I'd be interested in seeing how the N66u (or a router like it) performs with a 150/10 connection with commonly used features turned on/used (like QOS, SPI, not using DMZ... so NAT, UDP streams... video and uTorrent DHT, etc...) and VPN (less common, but still widely used).
It's like testing out a racecar by only timing straight line speed and saying it's the best because of this one test. Most races have turns, fuel economy is a factor, etc... |
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Here's another thread discussing throughput of an Asus RT-N56U (similar performance numbers to the RT-N66U router) on a 1000mbps (Google Fiber?) connection:
»forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showt···?t=10540
The relevant part is this:
"I recently subscribed to 1000Mb/s fiber. I have a Huawei modem/router, but it has been set to pure modem mode.
If I connect my W520 directly to the modem and run myspeedmeter.net after disabling all my AV/firewall software to max speed, I regularly get 800-900M down, 700+M up. This is with nothing else plugged into the modem, even a router.
If I connect my W520 directly to my RT-NT56U, even without setting jumbo frames etc. on the W520 and with all other settings being the same (i.e. no firewall/AV), I get similar speeds. However, this is only with nothing else plugged into the NT56U."
That seems promising for anyone looking for a modem for 150mbps... |
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excellent find mario9999998. |
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So the curiosity was getting the best of me and I decided to test the maximum throughput with wireless on and off, of my Asus RT-N16 running TomatoUSB  .
For anyone interested in trying, these are the steps that I followed (Thank you "Chuzein Part II"!! ):
»superuser.com/a/439919
A caveat: I did not connect directly from one computer to the other through the router. There was a ProCurve unmanaged switch in between, as well as one hundred feet of cat6, 70 feet of cat6a (in the walls), and 25ft of cat5e (tested and running at gigabit speeds without issue).
Frankly, I was too lazy to pull everything apart, so I went with the easiest way to get the test working . I doubt a straight connection would have made a significant difference.
Also, I did not perform the most scientific of tests. I was merely interested if I would see transfers over 150mbps WAN to LAN, with wireless off. I shared a folder on the 'WAN' PC, and transferred to and from that folder from the 'LAN' PC.
Results (Rough averages):
Wireless Off
WAN to LAN: 12-13000 KB/s (94 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 14-16000 KB/s (110 -125 mbps)
Wireless On
WAN to LAN: 11-13000 KB/s (86 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 12-15000 KB/s (94 -117 mbps)
'Measured' in the Real-Time Bandwidth view of Tomato.
CONCLUSIONS:
1. It looks like wireless functionality does not take a large bite of the router's performance.
2. LAN to WAN is actually a bit faster
3. Anyone with an Asus RT-N16 who is considering getting the 150/10 package, will need to upgrade their router if they want to maximize download speeds.
Hope this helps anyone in a similar situation as I'm in! |
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1 edit | Interesting, but for most people still more than fast enough. Matches up with SNB's testing. |
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arth33
join:2008-06-04
Ottawa, ON Reviews:
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said by Doeboye:Wireless Off
WAN to LAN: 12-13000 KB/s (94 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 14-16000 KB/s (110 -125 mbps)
Wireless On
WAN to LAN: 11-13000 KB/s (86 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 12-15000 KB/s (94 -117 mbps)
Wait, isn't LAN to WAN effectively the upload speed? If so, how are these speeds so high? I know this is a slightly unrelated question, but should LAN to WAN speeds be around 10mbps in a 150/10 connection?
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. |
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| said by arth33:said by Doeboye:Wireless Off
WAN to LAN: 12-13000 KB/s (94 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 14-16000 KB/s (110 -125 mbps)
Wireless On
WAN to LAN: 11-13000 KB/s (86 - 101 mbps)
LAN to WAN: 12-15000 KB/s (94 -117 mbps)
Wait, isn't LAN to WAN effectively the upload speed? If so, how are these speeds so high? I know this is a slightly unrelated question, but should LAN to WAN speeds be around 10mbps in a 150/10 connection? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. He's testing the router using two local computers (one on the WAN port and one on LAN) to test the router's max capabilities... not on an actual internet connection. |
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arth33
join:2008-06-04
Ottawa, ON | Ahh, gotcha. Makes sense now. |
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| said by arth33:Ahh, gotcha. Makes sense now.
My concern was the new 150/10 package would be too much for my existing router. Now, I know for sure that if I want to upgrade to that package (come July), I'll need a new router as well as a new modem (Currently have a 4x4 6120)...
I'm not super disappointed about being forced to upgrade. I do like the option with some of the higher end routers to be able to set up a secondary network for visitors. My passkey is a ridiculously long string and it's always a pain to get a visitor onto the internet. I can make an internet-only SSID with a simpler passkey for them!
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:19 | reply to Optional
The basic results of his test are that you need something newer than the RT-N16 to drive the new 150 meg service. It was a 2.4 GHz device anyhow, so a newer router can upgrade your wifi too.
It's not the CPU that matters so much; the RT-N16 and the N66U have virtually the same CPU/SoC (same CPU core, 25% higher clockspeed in N66U), yet the N66U can route like 8x more throughput. The CPU isn't doing the routing anyhow, it's offloaded to dedicated hardware.
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TypeS
join:2012-12-17
London, ON Reviews:
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Just thought I'd add that the TP-Link TL-WDR3600 and TL-WDR4300 both can handle 150/10 easily according to this review of both units:
»uk.hardware.info/reviews/3423/5/···ts-wired
TL-WDR3600 $65: »www.canadacomputers.com/product_···d=054507
TL WDR4300 $75: »www.canadacomputers.com/product_···d=050695
A store in London has the TL-WDR3600 for $60, if you're in or around the London area. CC might price match them too since the store ships via e-mail orders.
»megacomputer.ca/index.php/main/P···NWTP0088
But I still recommend the Asus RT-N56u as the best quality one of routers around the $100 mark. |
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bbhog
join:2010-07-05
North York, ON | The 4300 is actually showing as $75.
I currently have the TL-WR1043ND. I've been happy with it, but the wireless performance wasn't so good with it. |
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:19 | reply to anon user
said by anon user :The 66Us only runs on the dedicated NAT chip with QOS/SPI disabled on ASUS firmware. If you use those features or alternate firmware, its all CPU.
There's other hardware acceleration going on there. The RT-N16 and N66U have an identical CPU but for clockspeed (they're both the 74K core, IIRC), and the throughput with QoS on for the N66U far outpaces what the difference in clockspeed can account for alone.
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TypeS
join:2012-12-17
London, ON Reviews:
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said by bbhog:The 4300 is actually showing as $75.
I currently have the TL-WR1043ND. I've been happy with it, but the wireless performance wasn't so good with it.
My bad, ya $75.
The TL-WR1043ND however caps out at 122Mbps. |
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bbhog
join:2010-07-05
North York, ON | Yeah but I only get 5 Mbps wireless |
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Looks like NCIX has the wdr4300 for $69.99 today (Until April 3rd)...
»www.ncix.com/products/?sku=74472···oid=1334 |
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1 edit | Looking at getting a wndr3700 for $89.99 seems like a good deal. but i will check this wndr4300 as well, Not sure hrmm which to get 90 or 120
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