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TwiztedZero
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Re: affordable router to handle 150/10?

said by morisato:

Looking at getting a wndr3700 for $89.99 seems like a good deal. but i will check this wndr4300 as well, Not sure hrmm which to get 90 or 120

WNDR3700 is a nice little box - but - that was then. If you're going to buy a high end router you might want to start looking at either the Netgear R6300 AC or one of the Asus RT-AC66U as next generation 802.11ac is now starting to cascade down to consumers offering Gigabit speed ranges. At least you'll be "future proof" for the next two years at best guess until the next stepping in vendors and IEEE standards ratchets up another notch.

**Btw don't forget MikroTik also has some 802.11ac gear.
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EdT

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Agreed on the ASUS RT-AC66U and RT-N66U. These are all around routers that will provide the best performance/cost on WiFi Rx/Tx strength and data throughput. I don't like the Cisco EA4500 or the NetGear R6300 routers because they don't have external removable antennas. Many routers that claim high power WiFi have other weaknesses like poor data throughput.

For example Amped Wireless series of router have powerful WiFi signals that can penetrate through anything, but data throughput is horrible !


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All the routers you guys are suggesting are costing like $200 bucks, i will go with my 90 dollar router that will do me for 2-3 years P:) It has wifi should i want it and it covers me for wired nicely which is what i use most often anyways.
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EdT

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Here is a little secret, Amped Wireless R10000 is going for $69.99 at Staples.ca, they made a real price typo which they still have not yet corrected. The R10000 still sells for over $110+ at BB, FS elsewhere !


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i will check it out Considering i have a WAp610n and a 8 port gigabit switch i am tempted atm to just Connect the 2 and use the modem for DHCP and be Cheap, Instead what do u all think of this solution?
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Doeboye

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The r10000 appears to be a 10/100 router. Wan and lan. It won't be sufficient for a 150mbps connection ...


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Whoops your right it is 10/100 No go

Appears the wap610n Gives good signal for me after disabling all the Otherwireless devices in my home My question i guess then becomes does the dcm476 do dhcp? or will i need a router between anyways.. hrmms
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Only the wired LAN network is 10/100, the WiFi network is 300Mbps, I didn't care about the LAN connection speed as I am using it for it's WiFi prowess for my Android PCs and didn't want to fork out another $30 for their R20000G. You are not going to find a brand new 600mW N300 WiFi router with dual ultra low noise amplifiers and US based tech support for $69.99 no matter how hard you try ! Almost all of those sub $100 routers have only 50-120mW of power at most and 99.9% of them will never list their actual WiFi tx/rx power anywhere !

They have their older single band gigabit R10000G which has the gigabit WAN/LAN for $129 and their newest top of the line R20000G dual band gigbit WAN/LAN which normally sells for $179 for $99, another dumb price typo on Staples part ! ...LoL



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said by EdT:

Only the wired LAN network is 10/100, the WiFi network is 300Mbps, I didn't care about the LAN connection speed as I am using it for it's WiFi prowess for my Android PCs and didn't want to fork out another $30 for their R20000G. You are not going to find a brand new 600mW N300 WiFi router with dual ultra low noise amplifiers and US based tech support for $69.99 no matter how hard you try ! Almost all of those sub $100 routers have only 50-120mW of power at most and 99.9% of them will never list their actual WiFi tx/rx power anywhere !

They have their older single band gigabit R10000G which has the gigabit WAN/LAN for $129 and their newest top of the line R20000G dual band gigbit WAN/LAN which normally sells for $179 for $99, another dumb price typo on Staples part ! ...LoL

You're missing the point though, at least with the R1000 you pointed out with only 10/100 LAN and 10/100 WAN, the cable modem will connect via that 10/100 WAN port, so it will cripple you to 66% of the speed you're getting on 150/10, so the wire speed really matters there.

I think some of the people pushing the top-end routers have also missed the point of the thread. The OP wasn't looking for the latest and greatest wireless performance but the minimum router that could enable him to use a 150/10 cable connection. Explaining the benefits of 802.11ac is moot, the OP said he wanted to avoid the $200 mark.

Doeboye

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From what I can see, the best deal right now for a router that can support 150mbps through the WAN port, and come in under $100, is still the TP-Link TL-WDR4300 on sale at NCIX (Today's the last day) that I linked to earlier. $70 is hard to beat, and the router gets pretty solid reviews...


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Small net Builder places that at 144 MBPS thruput is the main issue i have with it, So i spent the $89.99 for a WNDR 3700 from netgear got the v3 and installed my ddwrt and did a good old wifi Spectrum anaylsis my strength is damned good now that i have it looks like i killed some other networks trying to run on channel 1 p:)
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said by morisato:

Small net Builder places that at 144 MBPS thruput is the main issue i have with it, So i spent the $89.99 for a WNDR 3700 from netgear got the v3 and installed my ddwrt and did a good old wifi Spectrum anaylsis my strength is damned good now that i have it looks like i killed some other networks trying to run on channel 1 p:)

Congrats on the WNDR3700. I've seen some good reviews on that guy .

That said, could you please link to where you found 144mbps WAN to LAN throughput for the TL-WDR4300? The only review I've seen that mentions WAN to LAN is the uk.Hardware.info one mentioned earlier in this thread by TypeS. In that review, the 4300 is rated at 925 mbps...

»uk.hardware.info/reviews/3423/5/···ts-wired

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Rofl i misread its the 1043 i was reading about, My bad sorry there didn;t notice tplink brought out a new set of routers. dd-wrt capable?
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said by morisato:

Rofl i misread its the 1043 i was reading about, My bad sorry there didn;t notice tplink brought out a new set of routers. dd-wrt capable?

Doh!

re DDWRT: Some review sites claim it does support (eg:»www.legitreviews.com/article/1983/5/), but it does not come up in the official DD-WRT Support Database...

»www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database

Perhaps someone who has this router could comment?...

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ya i am reading the offical threads on dd-wrt forums wdr4300 Has not yet got offical support because its in Early testing stages builds are not yet ready for public consumption etc.. reading alot of issues for people with it.
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EdT

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After re- reading the ops original thread. It seems he has or wants a 150/10 internet connection and cheap router to go with it. Geeezz, if he can afford a 150/10 internet connection he shouldn't be fussing around with a cheap router ! ..LoL


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Well 85/month is easy enough to budget in if you;ve cut the cord but a 200+ dollar router purchase can be painful P:) ontop of a cable modem and Install fees etc.
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I have a TP-Link WDR4300 and it works fine. I'm using the latest version of the factory firmware. I use it solely for 5GHz wireless connectivity (I use other gigabit switches for switching, an ASUS RT-N16 for 2.4GHz, and a m0n0wall box for routing).

OpenWRT is also supported... performance wise for routing 150/10 it's more than fast enough:
»wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-···nkr35995
»forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?···#p187010


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said by morisato:

Well 85/month is easy enough to budget in if you;ve cut the cord but a 200+ dollar router purchase can be painful P:) ontop of a cable modem and Install fees etc.

If you are going with the 150/10 then there is no point in cheaping out on the router because the WNDR3700 is no good if you want to run QoS, run QoS and the max speed you'll get is 80mbps; run OpenVPN and max you'll get is 10mbps. Its your call...but if you are going for 150/10 you'd better build a pfsense machine with enough horse power.

Edit:
Here is what I'm talking about. I've got two OpenVPN connections, one for my torrent server and one for all other traffic. With my torrent server completely saturating my uplink I can still do a speed test and get full speed out my second VPN (private internet access); this is QoS in action at deprioritizing my torrent server. There is no consumer grade router than can handle two OpenVPN connections simultaneously and still have the following speeds. Mind you that all the encrypting and decrypting for both VPNs are being done by my pfsense machine yet it can still handle QoS without giving me an attitude. (All this is on Rogers 150/10 with SB6141)




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I just finished chatting with some friends oversea about their internet connections. I think I flipped on what they are paying and getting.

Hong-Kong and China = 100Mbps/100Mbps cable internet $23cad !!!

Gave him the link to SpeedGuide.net thinking he was mistaken, dam was I ever mistaken, they thought that was the norm and pretty slow ! ...LoL


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said by EdT:

I just finished chatting with some friends oversea about their internet connections. I think I flipped on what they are paying and getting.

Hong-Kong and China = 100Mbps/100Mbps cable internet $23cad !!!

Gave him the link to SpeedGuide.net thinking he was mistaken, dam was I ever mistaken ! ...LoL

Did you ask them what kind of router they were using?


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I did, he didn't know, he wasn't the techie type, but he said it was a cable modem and not DSL. I will ask him again the next time he is online.
»www.speedtest.net/result/2620356799.png



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said by morisato:

Small net Builder places that at 144 MBPS thruput is the main issue i have with it, So i spent the $89.99 for a WNDR 3700 from netgear got the v3 and installed my ddwrt and did a good old wifi Spectrum anaylsis my strength is damned good now that i have it looks like i killed some other networks trying to run on channel 1 p:)

+1 LOL
I still use my original WNDR3700v1, but am considering a new AC unit for my next buy.
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said by technocar2:

With my torrent server completely saturating my uplink I can still do a speed test and get full speed out my second VPN (private internet access); this is QoS in action at deprioritizing my torrent server.

Speed tests for PIA are more than a bit misleading: PIA uses compression on the VPN pipe, and the speedtest.net test data compresses rather nicely, resulting in somewhat unrealistic reported numbers. It's quite possible that the second VPN was only getting half the bandwidth there.

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said by mlord:

Speed tests for PIA are more than a bit misleading: PIA uses compression on the VPN pipe, and the speedtest.net test data compresses rather nicely, resulting in somewhat unrealistic reported numbers. It's quite possible that the second VPN was only getting half the bandwidth there.

I know what you are talking about; basically you are saying I only downloading half the "data" but its compressed; and once its uncompressed it doubles in size thus showing inflated speeds.

I have heard that argument a million times on these forum, and I'm not buying it because the pfsense WAN graph shows the real speed and it shows ~150mbps on the WAN interface graphs when my VPN connection is saturated on downlink so if it was compressed as much as you say it is then it would show that much less on the WAN interface graph and much higher on the VPN interface graphs. But the graphs are similar regardless of what you think (~150mbps on WAN interface graph and ~140mbps on the VPN interface graph). Until these numbers start being wacky; I'm not going to believe your argument.

Mate if what you say were the case then the WAN interface should show 70mbps and VPN interfaces should show 140mbps but that is not the case.

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I've been using pfsense running on an ALIX2D3 for firewall/routing and a WRT400N running DD-WRT dumbed down as a WiFi Access Point.

The setup has been rock solid on my connections thus far, but the ALIX would be a little light for the 150/10.

Supermicro has a few dual core ATOM boxes that would work great and have gigabit Intel NICs. Those running pfsense would be rock solid.


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said by s0dhi:

I've been using pfsense running on an ALIX2D3 for firewall/routing and a WRT400N running DD-WRT dumbed down as a WiFi Access Point.

I have a similar setup but with different hardware.

pfsense on a core 2 extreme machine QX9650 for firewall, routing, VPN, captive portal etc. (honestly I didn't have any other use for this beast of a CPU)
Wifi AP on a dumbed down WNDR3700 running DD-WRT with a captive portal for wifi only users on pfsense (it took me a while to build a decent captive portal but its perfect now)

And like you said, its absolutely rock solid.

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said by EdT:

I did, he didn't know, he wasn't the techie type, but he said it was a cable modem and not DSL. I will ask him again the next time he is online.
»www.speedtest.net/result/2620356799.png

Correct me if I'm wrong but that speed test's ping is too low and upload is too high, that can only mean its FTTH.
He probably thinks its docsis but he actually has FTTH otherwise his upload won't be that high.

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I am pretty sure it can handle qos and 150/10 i am running ddwrt on it and it seems to be okay so far, also i don;t torrent, so i don;t need it to handle thousands of micro connections like you might. and i had a pfsense box no thanks, if i go that route though i would pick up a raspberry pi.
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said by morisato:

I am pretty sure it can handle qos and 150/10 i am running ddwrt on it and it seems to be okay so far, also i don;t torrent, so i don;t need it to handle thousands of micro connections like you might. and i had a pfsense box no thanks, if i go that route though i would pick up a raspberry pi.

Raspberry PI only has a single NIC and IIRC, the NIC is 10/100.

I don't quite understand the statement "i had a pfsense box no thanks". What did you not like about it?

EDIT: Also the RaspberryPi NIC performance is severely limited by being connected to the USB bus.