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StuartMW
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Mayor Bloomberg: "Get used to it"

quote:
'We're going to have more visibility and less privacy': Mayor Bloomberg admits soon NYPD surveillance cameras will be on nearly every corner and in the air.

'You wait, in five years, the technology is getting better, they’ll be cameras everyplace . . . whether you like it or not,' Bloomberg said Friday. 'The argument against using automation is just this craziness that 'Oh, it’s Big Brother.' Get used to it!'
»www.nydailynews.com/new-york/blo···.1296103

Or in layman's terms "Take it peons!".
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Snowy
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Never say "It couldn't happen here."
But it couldn't happen here (with the current/near future administrations).

The differences in how the States view privacy is noteworthy.
e.g., In Hawaii when LE wants a wiretap the court will appoint a lawyer to act as the wiretap subjects advocate arguing against the order in private session.
This doesn't mean the subject is made aware of the application because their not - the attorney acts on the subjects behalf without their knowledge.

Of course this doesn't affect Federal wiretapping but it does show the differences in values.



StuartMW
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Agreed. I was just thinking about that very issue.

In the US law enforcement is hierarchical. The President can't order the police to do anything. The same applies to Governors. In some states LE is refusing to enforce certain laws (Federal and/or State).

The Feds don't have the resources, yet, to be everywhere. And people are, for now, free to move if a certain jurisdictions don't follow their values.
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reply to StuartMW

said by StuartMW:

quote:
...'The argument against using automation is just this craziness that 'Oh, it’s Big Brother.' Get used to it!'
»www.nydailynews.com/new-york/blo···.1296103
...

He speaks like someone in the Inner Party... until the day arrives when he suddenly discover's he's actually in the Outer Party, from the perspective of those in power well above him.
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NOYB
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reply to StuartMW


Peeping tom.


Rojo

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Do not question and do not argue.
Mayor ControlFreak knows best - just ask him.


Mele20
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reply to Snowy

Bull. Hawaii is the FIRST AND ONLY state in the nation to totally VIOLATE personal privacy when it comes to medical issues. ALL OTHER STATES require OPT IN to any setup of state wide or local sharing by a computerized network used by all medical providers, pharmacies, hospitals, therapists, naturopaths, etc of a citizens personal health data (it is MUCH MUCH worse than the crap CVS is pulling nationwide against their employees). In Hawaii there is a statewide computer network setup and two more in the process of being set up on my island. On the Mainland, individuals in ALL states must opt IN to computerized medical networks before their medical information is shared and scattered all over creation so they have absolutely no medical privacy. In Hawaii, the individual is required to opt OUT. By default, because the state of Hawaii says we are idiots and must be protected against having any health privacy whatsoever, everyone is AUTOMATICALLY OPTED IN TO ALL THREE NETWORKS. I will be opting out once I find out how one does that. I suspect it will not be easy but probably involve delivering snail mail letters to every provider I have ever seen or will ever in the future see...doctors, pharmacists, HMSA, physical therapists, mental health advisers, etc.

So don't tell me Hawaii has good privacy for its citizens. It was bone chilling to read the comments of Hawaii state officials regarding how little respect, if any, will be given to personal medical privacy and to learn that ONLY Hawaii is throwing personal medical privacy down the drain makes me quite angry. (I just got the CVS crap from HMSA yesterday that also violates my medical privacy and I torn it up as I don't want CVS putting crap on Facebook, and who knows where else, about what I purchase OTC health wise using the HMSA sponsored CVS card).

Plus, can't you just see what a joke it will be when somebody hacks into one of these three networks and publishes a lot of personal medical data all over the internet? On the Mainland, from what I read, it will be opt IN only and the opt in will be EACH TIME ....no one time opt in so personal medical privacy will be protected yet when there is a REAL need for sharing of personal medical information (hospitalization for surgery) then the individual can opt in just for a specified period of time and can designate the extent of the opt in. This shows respect for the individual and their medical privacy. Hawaii's opt out only shows the opposite and state officials have stated that they believe the citizens of Hawaii are too stupid to be allowed to have any medical privacy (unless they are bright enough and diligent enough to, on their own, find out how to opt out). Most citizens won't even know they have a choice because the state has decided to not tell them UNLESS they SPECIFICALLY ASK ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS.
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Link Logger
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reply to StuartMW

Is this something new or just a confirmation of something we already knew, you can't expect privacy in public areas. So if someone were to stick a webcam on every street corner, what changes?

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goalieskates
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reply to StuartMW

Mayor Bloomberg is a fine one to talk about "craziness." I'm pretty sure his photo's in the dictionary.



HA Nut
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Isn't this is the same guy that tried to ban 16 oz sodas at retail outlets? 'Nuff said IMO...



La Luna
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Yes, same guy. He's an idiot.



scelli
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said by La Luna:

Yes, same guy. He's an idiot.

Seconded.

Then again: NYC has had a very long list of mayoral idiots going all the way back to the heyday of Jimmy Walker during the roaring 1920's...all legally elected I might add.
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shortckt
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reply to StuartMW

quote:
Bloomberg warned that drones would be able to peep into private residences - but that Peeping Tom legislation could help maintain some privacy....

"We're going to have more visibility and less privacy. I don't see how you stop that. And it's not a question of whether I think it's good or bad. I just don't see how you could stop that because we're going to have them."
Just because Mr. Mayor doesn't want to do anything to stop this doesn't mean the residents of his state won't. It may take a video from one of these cameras of someone in their bathroom accidentally getting posted on YT to galvanize the public sentiment.


shortckt
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

Bull. Hawaii is the FIRST AND ONLY state in the nation to totally VIOLATE personal privacy when it comes to medical issues....

Yet isn't it Hawaii where employers cannot ask applicants to disclose if they were arrested or have a criminal background? Not positive about this, just going from some job applications I've seen for multi-state corps where they have a whole page of fine print addressing applicants in each state, and Hawaii residents are instructed not to answer those questions.

PS: what's is CVS doing nationwide against their employees?


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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

...because the state of Hawaii says we are idiots...

Some residents make a strong case for that.

Edit for clarity:
on reflection...


kingdome74
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reply to StuartMW

Hup, two, three, four...



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reply to Rojo

said by Rojo:

Do not question and do not argue.
Mayor ControlFreak knows best - just ask him.

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Rebrider
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reply to StuartMW

Please stop telling the people that live in New York that this is bad. Tell them what a good idea this is and how much better their lives will be. Do you really want them to leave and move here?

said by StuartMW:

quote:
'We're going to have more visibility and less privacy': Mayor Bloomberg admits soon NYPD surveillance cameras will be on nearly every corner and in the air.

'You wait, in five years, the technology is getting better, they’ll be cameras everyplace . . . whether you like it or not,' Bloomberg said Friday. 'The argument against using automation is just this craziness that 'Oh, it’s Big Brother.' Get used to it!'
»www.nydailynews.com/new-york/blo···.1296103

Or in layman's terms "Take it peons!".


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StuartMW
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said by Rebrider:

Do you really want them to leave and move here?

Well there's not much chance of them moving to where I am. I'm hundreds of miles from any major city--on purpose

The only surveillance camera's around here are at stores wanting to catch shoplifters. Plus our soda's can be any size
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jaykaykay
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Many have moved here over the years, but it doesn't matter. We may be podunk center compared to NYC, but not where cameras etc. are concerned. We've had them forever. After all, guys, think of them as revenue!



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reply to StuartMW

they have these on intersections and on some blocks around town in granite city, IL. Not a terrible idea, and truthfully how much privacy can you really have in public? None really, nor should you expect it.

my brother in law is a dispatcher and I go and talk to him at his PD every now (not granite city, IL) and then. It came in handy recently in a drive by shooting where he works. Guy is going to have a hard time proving he wasn't the one with the gun.

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StuartMW
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said by jaykaykay:

After all, guys, think of them as revenue!

The camera's or the New Yorkers?
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I predict a bull market in these...


StuartMW
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Rebrider
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reply to StuartMW

said by StuartMW:

said by Rebrider:

Do you really want them to leave and move here?

Well there's not much chance of them moving to where I am. I'm hundreds of miles from any major city--on purpose

The only surveillance camera's around here are at stores wanting to catch shoplifters. Plus our soda's can be any size

When asked where I live, I have to tell people you can't get here from there. We also have any size soda or beer or just about anything else.
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StuartMW
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said by Killer_B:

Do not attempt to think, or depression may occur.

It can yes Or you can view it all as a movie, get some popcorn (and really big soda), and enjoy the show
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jaykaykay
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reply to StuartMW

Both, if you happen to be the Mayor. :LD



Faster
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For security and safety surveillance and accurate information of events cameras are your friends. It's too bad that NYC is being used as a major US proving ground. I'd prefer Los Angeles or San Diego or just about any other major city to NYC.

I'd like to give a sincere from the heart honest explanation as to why I feel that way but it would be grossly misinterpreted as flaming or trolling. That's does no one any good.


Kearnstd
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reply to shortckt

said by shortckt:

quote:
Bloomberg warned that drones would be able to peep into private residences - but that Peeping Tom legislation could help maintain some privacy....

"We're going to have more visibility and less privacy. I don't see how you stop that. And it's not a question of whether I think it's good or bad. I just don't see how you could stop that because we're going to have them."
Just because Mr. Mayor doesn't want to do anything to stop this doesn't mean the residents of his state won't. It may take a video from one of these cameras of someone in their bathroom accidentally getting posted on YT to galvanize the public sentiment.

the issue in such a case is that the city could ask why the person did not have blinds or curtains.

its NYC if a camera on a pole can see in your BR window, So can the people across the street, So can the kid with a zoom lense.
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