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crashnburn

join:2000-12-13
Bay Area

Sonic Fusion in North San Jose?

are there plan for Fusion in North San Jose? I used to live in Milpitas and enjoy my Fusion until I move 2 miles away. What's the likely hood of fusion for area code 95131 or 95132?



wa2ibm
Premium
join:2000-10-10
San Jose, CA

As far as I know, every CO in San Jose has Fusion equipment installed. Have you checked the pre-qualification tool or called Sonic support to ask?

If you're in San Jose and you can't get Fusion, it's probably because you're too far away from the CO and thus behind a Remote Terminal (RT). If that's the case, Sonic cannot bring Fusion to you and won't be able to unless/until they install fiber.

95131/32 are most likely served out of the SNJSCA21 CO on Junction, near Charcot in San Jose. How far are you from there?
--
- Bill



crashnburn

join:2000-12-13
Bay Area

I checked Sonic prequal and it come back "we do not service" in my area. I'm at the corner of Hostetter and Flickinger.



DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9

Afraid that location is way too far away for Fusion, sorry.

F1 @ 23.729 kft
F2 @ 3.961 kft
CO LOOP @ 27.690 kft
CO NAME @ SNJSCA11



crashnburn

join:2000-12-13
Bay Area

arg..that sucks!! It looks like I may not even be qualified for standard DSL either

I cannot stand cable and that is my last option.

Expand your moderator at work


wa2ibm
Premium
join:2000-10-10
San Jose, CA
reply to crashnburn

Re: Sonic Fusion in North San Jose?

said by crashnburn:

...It looks like I may not even be qualified for standard DSL either

You don't know until you ask. Most likely you're within range of an AT&T Remote Terminal. If you are, and AT&T hasn't run out of ports on it, Sonic can still deliver line-shared DSL.

We're all at the mercy of how the cables are laid out in our areas. Hostetter at Flickinger is actually closer (as the crow flies) to the SNJSCA21 exchange (10,975 ft) than to the SNJSCA11 exchange (18,110 ft), but topography and history play a large part in how the cables are actually run. Crumbling cookies and such. :-(
--
- Bill

patt2k

join:2009-01-16
kudos:1
Reviews:
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reply to crashnburn

said by crashnburn:

arg..that sucks!! It looks like I may not even be qualified for standard DSL either

I cannot stand cable and that is my last option.

Who is your cable provider ? Just wondering.

bbear2
Premium
join:2003-10-06
94045
kudos:5
reply to wa2ibm

said by wa2ibm:

... Hostetter at Flickinger is actually closer (as the crow flies) to the SNJSCA21 exchange (10,975 ft) than to the SNJSCA11 exchange (18,110 ft),

If this is true, and there are punch downs from CA21 in your area, you can sometimes talk to the line maintenance team and ask them to re-punch you down.

bigboy

join:2000-12-04
Palo Alto, CA

said by bbear2:

said by wa2ibm:

... Hostetter at Flickinger is actually closer (as the crow flies) to the SNJSCA21 exchange (10,975 ft) than to the SNJSCA11 exchange (18,110 ft),

If this is true, and there are punch downs from CA21 in your area, you can sometimes talk to the line maintenance team and ask them to re-punch you down.

How do you ask for that?

bigboy

join:2000-12-04
Palo Alto, CA
reply to bbear2

said by bbear2:

If this is true, and there are punch downs from CA21 in your area, you can sometimes talk to the line maintenance team and ask them to re-punch you down.

How do you ask for that?

bbear2
Premium
join:2003-10-06
94045
kudos:5

There's no direct way. You have to start with cust. svc. and explain the issue to them; convincing them to open a ticket for you with the line maintenance dept. for a given reason. This is easier to do if you are an existing customer. If you are a new customer, then I think you'll just need to plead your case until someone listens. Sorry, but it's not an exact science when it comes down to things like this.

I actually had a tech. who took my copper out of the main junction connector, spliced my lines hardwired with gel connectors and put 'locks' on the punch down so they wouldn't be disturbed by anyone else - all in efforts to clean up my line. It really helped a lot, but I'm sure not all techs would go this far to satisfy customers. Sometimes you do get lucky.



wa2ibm
Premium
join:2000-10-10
San Jose, CA
reply to bbear2

said by bbear2:

If this is true, and there are punch downs from CA21 in your area, you can sometimes talk to the line maintenance team and ask them to re-punch you down.

It's probably not that easy. Cable boundaries are geographically laid out and don't typically overlap with one another. If you're inside the geographical area of one exchange, you're not going to get a pair from a different exchange, even if it's physically closer. It may be closer how the crow flies, but not by the way the cables are laid out.

Where linemen can help, if they're so inclined, is remove bridge taps (other pairs that don't go anywhere that are attached to your line) and finding better pairs in the cable bundle (binder). You have to remember that the entire copper pair plant was never originally designed to carry frequencies higher than voice.
--
- Bill


brookeKrige

join:2012-11-05
San Jose, CA
kudos:3

You mentioned Sonic and cable, but not POTS, U-Verse, NetZero. U-verse exists (yet can be full) on west side of those planned Bart tracks (where sonic for example reports distance of 11k+ feet, ugh).

If address once had POTS (surely it did?), supposedly Sonic *may* act to rehookup the copper (per agreement by which ATT does it for them, if downgrading from uverse). I would email or phone Sonic to discuss, don't rely on web-site pre-qual.

I've heard conflicting reports whether ATT itself would still sell you POTS, post uverse.


bbear2
Premium
join:2003-10-06
94045
kudos:5

I was under the impression that if you go to UVerse, at least then with ATT there was no going back to original DSL Internet. But it does bring up the question about if you had UVerse and wanted to go to say Sonic, then what happens? Not sure if that helps you or not.



DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9

said by bbear2:

I was under the impression that if you go to UVerse, at least then with ATT there was no going back to original DSL Internet. But it does bring up the question about if you had UVerse and wanted to go to say Sonic, then what happens? Not sure if that helps you or not.

I don't think this is the case.

-Dane

bbear2
Premium
join:2003-10-06
94045
kudos:5

said by DaneJasper:

said by bbear2:

I was under the impression that if you go to UVerse, at least then with ATT there was no going back to original DSL Internet. But it does bring up the question about if you had UVerse and wanted to go to say Sonic, then what happens? Not sure if that helps you or not.

I don't think this is the case.

-Dane

please clarify


Snypes

join:2003-12-29
Santa Rosa, CA
reply to DaneJasper

We have had plenty of users switch over to our service from the U-Verse platform. Due to the way that AT&T deploys the service its a bit of a hassle but certainly doable. Just contact support and an agent should be able to provide the details for you.
--
DSL Support Specialist
Sonic.net, Inc.


bbear2
Premium
join:2003-10-06
94045
kudos:5

Super. thanks. So I guess that if you stay within ATT and you want to go back from UVerse to regular internet DSL, they really don't allow it (probably for marketing reasons).


bigboy

join:2000-12-04
Palo Alto, CA

said by bbear2:

Super. thanks. So I guess that if you stay within ATT and you want to go back from UVerse to regular internet DSL, they really don't allow it (probably for marketing reasons).

Or maybe this is the double-secret way of changing your Central Office.

(not willing to risk it myself….)


DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9
reply to bbear2

said by bbear2:

Super. thanks. So I guess that if you stay within ATT and you want to go back from UVerse to regular internet DSL, they really don't allow it (probably for marketing reasons).

Makes sense, because UVerse is their new network with all the shiny new gear. Their old DSL service is circa 1998 ADSL1 with ATM backhaul, and some portions are quite congested.

Fusion is OUR new network with no congestion and all the shiny new gear. =)

-Dane

bbear2
Premium
join:2003-10-06
94045
kudos:5

said by DaneJasper:

...
Fusion is OUR new network with no congestion and all the shiny new gear. =)

-Dane

I'm not sure if this question makes sense but what physical network does FUSION runs over? Is it the internet DSL or the Uverse? Or is it something your owned by Fusion alone? How does this work? And where/what exactly is the shinny new gear?

I'm confused because I thought every ISP had to use the same copper & fiber.


DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9

said by bbear2:

said by DaneJasper:

...
Fusion is OUR new network with no congestion and all the shiny new gear. =)

-Dane

I'm not sure if this question makes sense but what physical network does FUSION runs over? Is it the internet DSL or the Uverse? Or is it something your owned by Fusion alone? How does this work? And where/what exactly is the shinny new gear?

I'm confused because I thought every ISP had to use the same copper & fiber.

Fusion is neither AT&T DSL nor their UVerse, it's totally separate.

Fusion Broadband+Phone is Sonic Telecom's equipment entirely, both for the data and voice portion of the service. We lease only the copper pair itself from the incumbent operator - our data and voice equipment is colocated in the central office and connects directly to the copper line to your premise. This makes us a "facilities based" competitive carrier, as opposed to a "resale" one.

So to your point about the copper, yes, everyone uses the same copper, but what's on the other end varies. Either it's resale of the incumbent's DSLAM, or it could be separate, dedicated equipment.

-Dane


leibold
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-09
Sunnyvale, CA
kudos:10
Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
reply to bbear2

You are correct about the telco copper pair between your home and the CO. Inside the CO is where Sonic installed the "shiny new gear" which provides the Fusion service (combination of ADSL2+ DSLAM and POTS). Sonic is also using their own backbone connections (dedicated circuits) instead of shared bandwidth.

With legacy DSL AT&T provided the DSLAM which could either reside inside a CO or in the neighborhood (RT). The copper pair goes from the home to the DSLAM while the RT is either coax (T3) or fiber connected to the CO.
Traffic from those DSLAM was (probably still is) then carried on the ATM network to the ISP (depending on where the nearest POP of that ISP is, the traffic may travel for some distance over the AT&T network).

The problem with uverse is that physically it is many different things. It is best to think of uverse as a marketing term and not a specific technology (the line protocol on the copper pair can be ADSL2+, VDSL or VDSL2). Nevertheless, in many cases uverse will be a fiber connection between the CO and a VRAD in your neighborhood from where it will continue on the copper pairs into the home.
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bbear2
Premium
join:2003-10-06
94045
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reply to DaneJasper

DaneJasper, leibold,

Thank you. Those are two of the easiest to follow explanations I've ever seen on this topic. Well done.


dragonman300

join:2011-03-02
Anaheim, CA
kudos:1
Reviews:
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·Dish Network
reply to DaneJasper

said by DaneJasper:

Fusion is OUR new network with no congestion and all the shiny new gear. =)

-Dane

Quick question, why Sonic decided to deployed ADSL2 Fusion infrastructure instead of VDSL2? I really dont understand why they do this. VDSL is newer, faster, and travel farther than ADSL2.
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leibold
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-09
Sunnyvale, CA
kudos:10
Reviews:
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said by dragonman300:

VDSL is newer, faster, and travel farther than ADSL2.

You probably meant VDSL2 here. VDSL was a different approach to provide high speeds over very short distances. However VDSL was useless at the distances typically covered by ADSL.
ADSL2 and ADSL2+ are performance enhancements over ADSL while maintaining the ability to reach a customer base that may be up to 2 miles away from a CO.
VDSL2 is largely based on those ADSL2/ADSL2+ enhancements. Like VDSL it offers very high speeds over very short distances. Unlike VDSL however, VDSL2 remains usable (at much lower speeds) at some distance.
If you study the speed vs. distance charts you will see that there is a point at which VDSL2 speeds drop to the same as ADSL2/ADSL2+ simply because at those distances the extra frequency range of VDSL2 (up to 30MHz) becomes irrelevant (the higher frequencies get attenuated too much over long lines). The maximum usable distance is therefore the same as ADSL2 too.

For customers at some distance from the CO (like myself) there would be no advantage of VDSL2 over ADSL2. However if I were closer to a CO, I would be asking for that VDSL2 upgrade myself
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9

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VDSL2 would deliver gains for around 20% of our customer loops, and we do plan to deploy it when the equipment is ready, likely early next year. We've got to wait for Adtran to deliver the interface for the DSLAM platform.

-Dane



Viet

@sonic.net
reply to crashnburn

I hope this is still on topic but are there any plans to extend the Fusion into the North San Jose area?

I already have Sonic internet but from my understanding, I have to keep my ATT phone line. I've downgraded my phoneline to bare minimum and would rather just cancel it but I can't since I recall that I have to keep it for my Sonic DSL connection. ATT constantly jacks up the price every year and its practically doubled



DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:9

said by Viet :

I hope this is still on topic but are there any plans to extend the Fusion into the North San Jose area?

I already have Sonic internet but from my understanding, I have to keep my ATT phone line. I've downgraded my phoneline to bare minimum and would rather just cancel it but I can't since I recall that I have to keep it for my Sonic DSL connection. ATT constantly jacks up the price every year and its practically doubled

We're already built out into all of the Central Office telco exchange facilities in the area, but you must be served by a Remote Terminal (RT) facility. Sorry!