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GeorgeBurger

join:2011-12-30
kudos:2
reply to ispwho

Re: VMedia Launches

Hi

We get our DSL directly from Bell, and we get cable through another ISP, CIKTel. WE do look forward to our own TPIA deal soon with Rogers.And yes, Alexei and I were just talking about offering higher speeds.We will look into it.Right now we were focused on killer comparables, matching our Basic + internet with similar offers which show compelling value on our side, so for example Bell's Basic plus 6Mbps service clocks in at over $80 on a recurring basis, with contract, while you get something similar from VMedia for under $60, plus no contracts and no limits. But I take your point.


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1
reply to GeorgeBurger

said by GeorgeBurger:

You may be figuring that because we have not launched our Premium Basic service.

The one thing I didn't notice right away was that a bunch of the channels are in the Premium Basic and then again in the theme packs. I was beyond what Bell was charging me for the same channels until I noticed that. It was still more expensive than what I get on a retentions deal, though not by much and without the annual retentions dance. Hopefully the UChoose stuff will change that.

Beyond making that more clear, I also found the info on the VBox page lacking (like available outputs, cost, etc). The UI screenshots are hard to see as well. And can you have more than 1?

I'd also add a whole-home PVR to the wishlist for the future :P

All academic for me, though, as you're not available in Ottawa yet.


Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to rednekcowboy

said by rednekcowboy:

I just spoke with Videotron after I saw your post and they told me that the basic package is mandatory. That I cannot drop it and just go a la carte.....

Yes, the basic package for $20 is always required. For one thing, it contains all the mandatory carriage stuff. Onto that you can add something like the +30 a-la-carte option.
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GeorgeBurger

join:2011-12-30
kudos:2
reply to bt

Re: VMedia Launches

BT thanks for your input I will pass it right on. And hopefully you won't have long to wait in Ottawa.



En Enfer
This account has been compromised

join:2003-07-25
Montreal, QC
kudos:4
reply to GeorgeBurger

Yikes! Those prices are out of this world crazy.... expensive !

George, I don't know how and when you'll enter Quebec market, but if you keep those prices, you won't get any subscribers with those prices!

A most obvious example :

The Movie Network (5 channels) with HBO receives 9.09$ per subscriber per month (2011).
MEncore receives 1.31$/subscriber/month (2011).

Vidéotron offers TMN for 16$ : »www.videotron.com/residential/te···-and-hbo
Bell Fibe offers TMN+MEncore for 15$ : »fibetv.bell.ca/global/resources/···20130212

You offer TMN alone for 18$, MEncore alone for 8$ (WHAT?), and TMN+MEncore for 20$.

Outrageous.
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yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to GeorgeBurger

Sigh... I was very optimistic that these IPTV competitors would bring us an alternative to the incumbent providers. The packages that Vmedia and Acanac are offering is more expensive than what I would pay with Rogers and I would be missing channels, and my internet experience would degrade as well.


Viper359
Premium
join:2006-09-17
Scarborough, ON
Reviews:
·voip.ms
reply to GeorgeBurger

Looks like this is a no go for me. Too bad, I was really hoping to jump ship from Rogers.

No PVR by the sounds of it, no Dolby Digital on the HD channels, and more expensive than Rogers or Bell. All these damn internet apps, which I couldn't give a rats arse about. I have a smart phone and a tablet within arms reach, and a computer within 25 steps. Why can't TV just be about watching TV?

Too bad.


GeorgeBurger

join:2011-12-30
kudos:2
reply to En Enfer

Hi En Fer, again remember we are not in Quebec yet, and in Ontario we are cheaper than the competition for those brands. More importantly when you combine those brands with our $24.95 basic we are 25% cheaper.So, maybe not so outrageous, right?


yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4

said by GeorgeBurger:

Hi En Fer, again remember we are not in Quebec yet, and in Ontario we are cheaper than the competition for those brands. More importantly when you combine those brands with our $24.95 basic we are 25% cheaper.So, maybe not so outrageous, right?

Your basic package maybe cheaper than Bell and Rogers but if you compare the mid and high end package from Bell/Rogers with your offerings, most consumers would end up paying more with Vmedia and would likely be missing a few channels too.

GeorgeBurger

join:2011-12-30
kudos:2

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reply to yyzlhr

Sorry but I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. On Basic you would be missing Treehouse, W Network and NFL Network, and Sportsnet, but you would be getting TSN and TSN2, and Much and MuchMore Music. Oh yes, and you would be paying nearly 40% less. In other words you would have $15 to spend on things more to your liking elsewhere among our selections.Unless Fireplace Channel, the Sunset Channel and the Aquarium Channel are important to you...those are irreplaceable, I admit.


GeorgeBurger

join:2011-12-30
kudos:2
reply to yyzlhr

No argument there. The whole premise of our business is that people don't want to spend upwards of $70 for a pre-selected package when they can use that money on channels they want to want. We are trying to provide ways for people to reduce and if not reduce better target their expenditures. The fault may lie with us that we have not made those savings more obvious in our website, we will take another look, but dollar for dollar we beat the mid-range Rogers and Bell offerings.



i LOLd

@videotron.ca
reply to GeorgeBurger

said by GeorgeBurger:

Unless Fireplace Channel, the Sunset Channel and the Aquarium Channel are importnat to yuo...those are irreplaceable, I admit.

LOL... and there goes the coffee...

you know, I've read that Ontario has those channels. I've never seen it here.

That is funny stuff. Who in their right mind gets these channels? Or even watches it?

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to GeorgeBurger

said by GeorgeBurger:

Sorry but I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. On Basic you would be missing Treehouse, W Network and NFL Network, and Sportsnet, but you would be getting TSN and TSN2, and Much and MuchMore Music. Oh yes, and you would be paying nearly 40% less. In other words you would have $15 to spend on thinsg more to your liking elsewhere among our selections.Unless Fireplace Channel, the Sunset Channel and the Aquarium Channel are importnat to yuo...those are irreplaceable, I admit.

For us on Rogers to get the same channels that we enjoy on the VIP package, we have to add almost $40 dollars worth of theme packs in addition to the premium basic. Also, because your service is essentially delivered OTT, we would have to also subscribe to higher internet tiers to ensure we are enjoying the same internet speeds while we're watching TV.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to i LOLd

said by i LOLd :

said by GeorgeBurger:

Unless Fireplace Channel, the Sunset Channel and the Aquarium Channel are importnat to yuo...those are irreplaceable, I admit.

LOL... and there goes the coffee...

you know, I've read that Ontario has those channels. I've never seen it here.

That is funny stuff. Who in their right mind gets these channels? Or even watches it?

Rogers used to sell DVDs with the fireplace loop in their retail stores during the holiday season. It was actually one of the fastest moving items, and the struggled to keep pace with demand.

GeorgeBurger

join:2011-12-30
kudos:2
reply to yyzlhr

When you combine our internet prices with our TV prices, we have enough savings for you to get a higher tier if you needed it. But since we only use 2Mgs, pretty much any Rogers service you get will leave you enough left over to do exactly what you want on the internet.



En Enfer
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join:2003-07-25
Montreal, QC
kudos:4
reply to En Enfer

said by En Enfer:

Vidéotron offers TMN for 16$ : »www.videotron.com/residential/te···-and-hbo
Bell Fibe offers TMN+MEncore for 15$ : »fibetv.bell.ca/global/resources/···20130212

You offer TMN alone for 18$, MEncore alone for 8$ (WHAT?), and TMN+MEncore for 20$.

Even worse, Rogers offers TMN/HBO alone for 17$
»www.ordertmn.ca/50off
Shouldn't you be offering TMN/HBO for 16$ instead ?

There's just 1$ of difference between Rogers TMN+MEncore (21$) and Vmedia's (20$).
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yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to GeorgeBurger

said by GeorgeBurger:

When you combine our internet prices with our TV prices, we have enough savings for you to get a higher tier if you needed it. But since we only use 2Mgs, pretty much any Rogers service you get will leave you enough left over to do exactly what you want on the internet.

Your HD channels only have a 2mbps bitrate?!?!

Viper359
Premium
join:2006-09-17
Scarborough, ON

Yeah, I was just about to say the same thing, no way that's HD! Even h264 would be hard pressed for that bitrate



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23

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reply to GeorgeBurger

2 Mbps... that's the equivalent to 4.5 Mbps of MPEG-2, which is close to what Videotron uses for their SD channels (~3.9 Mbps)

I'm going to assume that 2 Mbps is for VMedia's standard-def channels. It's a good bitrate for that. But there's no way that could be their HD bitrate.

Even with h.265, 2Mbps would be enough for at most basic 720p, and even then the quality would be lower than Netflix' 720p tier (which has a higher equivalent bitrate), and there isn't any hardware on the market that can do h.265 yet.
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Viper359
Premium
join:2006-09-17
Scarborough, ON

I hope so, but, not too sure.



Shrug

@videotron.ca
reply to Viper359

said by Viper359:

Why can't TV just be about watching TV?

I think the kids in a family would like it and use it.

Viper359
Premium
join:2006-09-17
Scarborough, ON

The kids can scram. Its daddy's time!



oh

@videotron.ca

said by Viper359:

The kids can scram. Its daddy's time!

I didn't notice marital aid stations available on Vmedia...

But maybe they have a youporn app for that!



HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:21
reply to GeorgeBurger

Wait, what? You need to be on their internet package to subscribe to TV? Thats BS...
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Viper359
Premium
join:2006-09-17
Scarborough, ON

They don't have an option in that. That is CRTC mandated in order to be able to offer IPTV. Either through Vmedia, or a partner.



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

Wait, what? You need to be on their internet package to subscribe to TV? Thats BS...

So sayeth the CRTC. Blame them for the requirement.
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TypeS

join:2012-12-17
London, ON
kudos:1
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

Wait, what? You need to be on their internet package to subscribe to TV? Thats BS...

In theory, the IISPs they peer with could offer a speed tier that is enough for x number of STBs to run concurrently but includess no data usage what so ever, only the IPTV traffic.


hm

@videotron.ca
reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

Wait, what? You need to be on their internet package to subscribe to TV? Thats BS...

No. Some ISP's have a peering agreement. So if you wanted it, and TSI has the agreement, then yeah you can get it w/o their internet.

At least, this is how I understand it.


WhaleOilBee
What a long strange trip it's been

join:2011-08-02
Manotick, ON
Reviews:
·Acanac
reply to GeorgeBurger

I didn't notice any time shifted stations. West coast Canadian and US networks would be nice to have since there's apparently no PVR capability in the 'box'. Is this correct? Any possibility of west feeds in the future?

Oh, congratulations and best of luck on your product launch.