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nycityny
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[T-Mobile] What speed when no LTE available?

If one acquires an LTE-capable phone from T-Mobile but uses it in a market without LTE what speeds are achievable? 3G? 2G? 4G/HSPA+?



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You can check here:

»maps.eng.t-mobile.com/pcc-retail-default.php

LTE is not on the map yet. if you zoom all the way in and click on a location, it will tell you what type of high speed data in that location. (3g or 4g) HSPA+ is 3g/4g.
Otherwise 2g.
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nycityny
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My question is more about the capabilities of the phone. Can an LTE phone also pick up HSPA+? Or does the phone drop to 2G if LTE isn't available?

I ask because my current T-Mobile phone only does 4G or 2G. Whenever 4G isn't available it drops to 2G, bypassing 3G.



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3g is shown as 4g on all t-mobile branded phones. It actually does but your phone won't tell you. The note 2 on tmo goes from 4g LTE to 4g to 2g. so don't expect it to change.


coma9

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Check your settings in the Mobile networks section, make sure your set to LTE/4G/3G/Edge/2G. It should use those in that order, obviously the higher being preferred.


nycityny
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Here are some ancillary questions. As T-Mobile migrates to LTE what happens to the quality of HSPA+? Can a single cell tower provide both LTE and HSPA+ service? Will HSPA+ reception degrade as LTE begins to dominate?


coma9

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said by nycityny:

Here are some ancillary questions. As T-Mobile migrates to LTE what happens to the quality of HSPA+? Can a single cell tower provide both LTE and HSPA+ service? Will HSPA+ reception degrade as LTE begins to dominate?

I would think that HSPA+ just becomes another step when you're getting lower reception quality. If you can't hit LTE signal strength, it kicks down to HSPA+, and then 3G, Edge, 2G... I would also think that the same towers are broadcasting all of them. But I'm no expert, just my opinion.

broccoli

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said by nycityny:

My question is more about the capabilities of the phone. Can an LTE phone also pick up HSPA+? Or does the phone drop to 2G if LTE isn't available?

Depends entirely on the phone. There is no requirement that an LTE device must support HSPA or GSM, but all LTE handsets that I have seen do support 'legacy' protocols.

I ask because my current T-Mobile phone only does 4G or 2G. Whenever 4G isn't available it drops to 2G, bypassing 3G.

Whatever 'G' you are seeing on the phone is mostly meaningless. T-Mobile's so-called 4G is built on top of their '3G' network. If your phone supports T-Mobile's '4G', it definitely can do 3G.
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Re: [T-Mobile] What speed when no LTE available?

said by nycityny:

Here are some ancillary questions. As T-Mobile migrates to LTE what happens to the quality of HSPA+? Can a single cell tower provide both LTE and HSPA+ service? Will HSPA+ reception degrade as LTE begins to dominate?

HSPA+ should get better as more people move to LTE. The same towers will provide all the different modes and frequencies as they do now.
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said by djdanska:

3g is shown as 4g on all t-mobile branded phones. It actually does but your phone won't tell you. The note 2 on tmo goes from 4g LTE to 4g to 2g. so don't expect it to change.

I think that you're right about that. However, my Samsung Galaxy S (sold to Verizon for $150) would constantly switch from 4G to 3G to Edge (2G I think) and sometimes even to grsm (augh!). Sometimes, downloads would just stall out completely. No, I wouldn't count on LTE from T-Mobile anytime soon. I don't think that T-Mobile can deliver what they promise now, "Most reliable 4G service".
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If you flash it to well, just about any other rom, it gets back to default.



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said by bobjohnson:

said by nycityny:

Here are some ancillary questions. As T-Mobile migrates to LTE what happens to the quality of HSPA+? Can a single cell tower provide both LTE and HSPA+ service? Will HSPA+ reception degrade as LTE begins to dominate?

HSPA+ should get better as more people move to LTE. The same towers will provide all the different modes and frequencies as they do now.

Depends.
The towers around me do provide a HSPA+ signal, but the speed maxes at 1Mbps. The tower is not fibre fed, connected by T1s.

The speed throttle at any of the towers isn't the HSPA+ vs LTE signal, its because of the connection to the tower, its too slow.

It is a shame that Tmobile aren't upgrading their slow Edge network to anything, instead of upgrading 3g to 4g to 5g, where the rest of their network is stuck at 1g or no g.