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Kearnstd
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Re: Highway merging

said by Subaru:

said by CylonRed:

Highways are so crowded in rush hour (and other times) that it can determine when there are gaps in traffic and let people go and merge. When I have had to use it in Columbus - it does work well. People need to accelerate but should not be a need to floor it.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramp_meter

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Why are they effective?

Without ramp meters, multiple cars try to merge simultaneously. Drivers on the freeway slow down to allow the cars enter and these slower speeds quickly cause backups. If cars enter the highway in controlled intervals, they are less likely to cause a disruption to the traffic on the freeway. A short wait on the ramp allows drivers to increase their average freeway speed and shorten overall freeway travel times. Ramp meters also reduce the number of accidents that often occur when multiple vehicles merge onto the highway at the same time.
How do ramp meters work?

Ramp meters are part of a large computer-operated system that is managed in WSDOT's Traffic Management Centers (TMCs). Magnetic "loops" are embedded in the pavement that provide the TMCs with information about traffic flow, such as the volume and speed of vehicles on freeways and ramps. This traffic data is continually fed to the ramp meters, which automatically alter their cycles to maximize traffic flow on both the ramps and the freeways.

my first time seeing a ramp meter was when I was in WA state.. at the time however they were not active but this was like 7 years ago.. Pretty cool but CT drivers would pay any attention to them just how they roll tru stop signs and not care.

I swear man I want to pain some nails black and throw them out the window..

The street I lived on in Danbury, had no stop light and was between the on and off ramps at exit 8 for westbound 84... During rush hour it could be a 10min wait if you stopped or if you saw an opening you well... punched it and shot across all three lanes of US6 without even slowing for the stop sign.

The Neighborhood had petitioned multiple times to the state for a light(the state maintained that road.) So if we wanted a light we would cut through a closed gas station to a nearby road. When the reality company blocked off the entry points we just used a pickup truck and removed their barriers to keep access to a stoplight.
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Ugh I remember having to take 684 to 84 it was like a friken race track.. that's why I love when I see my family in NC they still drive relaxed the same since I left in '97

Kearnstd
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684 is what I call the New York International Speedway. I have been tailgated on 684, while in the right lane and going 80.

the traffic circle in Danbury(that loop at exit 8) is just complete chaos.
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said by Kearnstd:

684 is what I call the New York International Speedway. I have been tailgated on 684, while in the right lane and going 80.

the traffic circle in Danbury(that loop at exit 8) is just complete chaos.

I've never seen a cop out on 684.. and you are right I've had one guy try to race when all I was trying to do was move around another person :-/

It's been awhile since I been to Danbury so I can't remember where the loop is, but I used to get off at Federal Rd all the time. I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore.. it was a true pain in the ass to drive every day.
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Kearnstd
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The loop is Exit 8. Federal is 7 and that damn left exit if coming from southern points. such as that nightmare known as Rt. 7.

Federal will always be bad as it is pretty much box store central.
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Fir_Na_Tine
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Had another thing I hate happen. Where the on ramp lane and off ramp lane are shared in between. I was trying to get into the lane and was slowing down as the curve is pretty tight and a guy in a SUV was coming onto the highway from the on ramp. Instead of getting up to speed and moving forward so I could move behind he traveled the lane until it ran out where it curves off, almost matching my speed as I tried to get down to 25 mph (exit posted speed for the curve) it seemed he was even slowing down with me, he finally gunned it soon as he saw he was running out of road and I slipped in barely.
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Oh I never had to go that far up, I haven't really been on rt 7 going into Danbury in awhile now since they finished doing the road construction.

I tell you I'm not sure which road but getting on Rt. 7 right after Danbury airport I think it's 684 merges onto rt.7 it's crazy and that far right lane is a exit only that area can be a little crazy as well.

Kearnstd
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684 is in Brewster NY. rt 7 starts at Danbury and ends at 95 in Norwalk. However if you come over the Tappen Zee on 287 it is faster to take 684 to 84 if you need to reach the Danbury area.
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Yeah that's what I used to do but whenever it rained I would stay out of Westchester because they never knew what a wet road does to a car who speeds, I swear I would always see 1-2 cars always spun out on the road, so in that case I would take rt. 7 all the way up to Danbury.. but in some cases you had to worry about flooding.

So glad I don't have to do this anymore.. It was so easy to drive 100 miles doing that haul a day.
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Boricua
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said by Faster:

And what state or state freeway are you driving on?

I live in Northern California, but this is everywhere in Cali I go .
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said by Kearnstd:

684 is in Brewster NY. rt 7 starts at Danbury and ends at 95 in Norwalk. However if you come over the Tappen Zee on 287 it is faster to take 684 to 84 if you need to reach the Danbury area.

I was in this area day before yesterday because I needed to pass some drive cycles on my car so I figured this was the best place to do it.. So I see not much has changed.. at that bottle neck where Brewster and Rt.7 meet.. I saw that and said screw it and jumped on Rt. 7 to go home..

It was pretty tame yesterday I will admit.
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Faster
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said by Boricua:

said by Faster:

Unfortunately certainly in California and from what I've seen in some other states a contributing factor are those high number of dickheads that are the fastest moving traffic that stay to the right and pass mostly on the right instead of staying left and passing on the left. Again their acts are made worse in high speed heavy traffic.

I am guilty of this and the main reason being you have "dickheads" who want to drive like miss daisy on the left lane (#1) so I have no choice but to use the right lane to pass.
I live in Northern California, but this is everywhere in Cali I go.

In good weather the single biggest danger on the freeway with lots of swiftly moving traffic is people passing on the right, especially at high speed.

In fact overall whether on the road or the race track one of the biggest danger is when there are cars in close proximity to each other that are traveling at significantly different speeds.*

If a car is traveling 65 in the number one lane it’s no big deal for the guy doing eighty and overtaking to move one lane to the right and pass and then move back into the number one lane. But staying in the number two lane or even much worse moving further to the right such as the number three or four lane is totally irresponsible and highly dangerous.

The fact that a guy in the left lane that is traveling at a slower speed even if it’s the speed limit than a car overtaking it that is the overtaking car’s driver’s problem not the “slower” moving cars problem. Passing on the right is inherently dangerous and the further to the right and the greater the speed of the passing vehicle the greater the exhibition of poor judgment and dangerous driving by the person on the right.


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said by Faster:

The fact that a guy in the left lane that is traveling at a slower speed even if it’s the speed limit than a car overtaking it that is the overtaking car’s driver’s problem not the “slower” moving cars problem. Passing on the right is inherently dangerous and the further to the right and the greater the speed of the passing vehicle the greater the exhibition of poor judgment and dangerous driving by the person on the right.

Most states have laws that say keep right except to pass.
»www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html


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The Autobahn is world famous for the high speeds that many cars travel on it. Speeds in the 120 range are not uncommon and some go faster. Late at night some manufacturers of super high performance cars will exceed speeds at times of 200 MPH. And that can be on a four lane, (two lane each side) divided section. They will be passing big rigs going regular speed. See a danger there? The potential of a catastrophic wreck? Imagine that scenario here! But it works because even though there are no speed limits the number one rule for safety is slow traffic to the right and to put in in US terms pass on the left.

No problems because one of the strongest if not first rule of the road is slower moving traffic keep to the right and travelers take that rule very seriously. (Remember this is on a road where there is no speed limit.)

On the Toll Road/freeways in Baja Mexico they too are divided usually and two lanes in each direction. Signs are frequently posted that advise the left lane is only for passing. At least in Mexico people for the most part strongly adhere to that.


saillaw
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The stretch of I-10 from Katy to San Antonio was built to torture me. It has way too much traffic for an interstate that is mainly 2 lanes in each direction.

On top of that you have the uniquely Texas attitude that "as long as I am going the speed limit I can drive in whichever lane I please.... All those signs that say 'stay right except to pass' be dammed."

So the left lane is full of inconsiderate asses who are doing exactly the speed limit. The right lane is full of trucks who have a slower speed limit. And in between you have all the cars who like to go 10mph above the speed limit but can't because the self righteous jerk is enjoying the freedom of being able to drive in what ever lane he pleases.

Add to that mix the nuts tailgating and working out their dreams of being a NASCAR driver on the interstate, and you end up having a stressful drive of random yo-yo stops, tailgating, and stress. You might as well chuck your cruise control out the window, you'll never get to use it.

My only solution is to put some SADE on the stereo and follow some big rig rig in the right lane while I chant to keep my pulse under control.
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said by saillaw:

On top of that you have the uniquely Texas attitude that "as long as I am going the speed limit I can drive in whichever lane I please.... All those signs that say 'stay right except to pass' be dammed."

So the left lane is full of inconsiderate asses who are doing exactly the speed limit.

Overall I'm sympathetic to your plight that you describe in your entire posts and all of the specifics it contains.

But to simply play devils advocate and for no other reason and not to be argumentative or critical, a question: How would your respond to the argument or counterpoint that you are unhappy and many of the problems on the freeway are caused because people in the left lane refuse to break the law and exceed the speed limit and thus impair or at times stop those that want to speed by choice for their convenience and not only are the speeders by their speeding alone causing a more dangerous and illegal situation but it is the person speeding and passing on the right that is causing the greatest danger than the person obeying the law in the left lane?


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It's just as bad here.. in CT the I-95 speed limit is 55 MPH most state troopers are ok with you going up to 70 MPH.. any higher you are going to have issues..

Anyways what I notice is if I'm in the 3rd lane doing 80 (speeding yes) anyways I notice a lot of cars will still try to overtake you regardless how fast you are going.. So lets get crazy here.. say my starting speed was 80 MPH in the 3rd lane and the car behind me is 2-3 seconds behind me.. So I go 90 MPH.. why do they need to do that? it's not like I'm holding up traffic or anything.

And another thing Say you have 3 cars in a lane and one moves out (middle car) Why does the 3rd car that's now 2nd feel the need to speed up then only to end up braking to close the gap? I wish I had $1 for each time I saw that happen.

I was 684 today in NY and dare I say it.. it was a pretty easy drive given I went at around 9:30 AM on a Monday.
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said by Faster:

said by Anonymous_:

said by Faster:

In California the bottom of the on ramp is frequently treated by drivers of cars with decent power as the start line and white flag for the start of the race. You see a lot of cars that hit the freeway going faster than the traffic they are merging with.

Yes sometimes IT IS NOT safe to stop if there is light traffic .

When there is light traffic with the signal going this could be a issue.

I'm only referring to ramps that either have no meter or if they do the meter is in the solid green mode.

Sometimes there is gaps in the traffic this is what I'm talking about the meter is still changing lights
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Grumpy
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Gripe #317 - I like to lay back 4 or 500 feet and not tailgate. The benefits are obvious and multiple. It's not only safer, but makes my day considerably less stressful.

After you pass me, please don't drop in 30' ahead of me at my exact speed. Now I'm tailgating -- dumbass. If I turn my highbeams on into your rear view mirror, you'll hopefully understand why.

Human nature - people love to travel in packs, whether they realize it or not. You'll have 50 cars in a 25 mile stretch of remote & far between cities open road, and there goes a clump of 6 or 8 or 10 of them doing 70 all 12 feet apart.



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Human nature - people love to travel in packs, whether they realize it or not. You'll have 50 cars in a 25 mile stretch of remote & far between cities open road, and there goes a clump of 6 or 8 or 10 of them doing 70 all 12 feet apart.
One of the reasons I like doing 5 mph over - I stay out of large packs and I generally maximize the time between packs.
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Grumpy
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Well, I've come to the realization that the "problem" is me -

There's nothing I can do about 6 or 8 out of ten people who merge at 20 to 40 MPH less than the speed limit in this region, or who choose to pass me then place themselves 20 or 30 feet ahead of me at my speed (63 MPH maximum governed speed) or slower, so I might as well accept it, act accordingly, and move on. That same 63 MPH maximum often keeps me in the slow lane, in harm's way.

I was off the road commercially for some years and did little interstate driving. Now I do around 2,000 to 3,000 miles per week throughout the traffic congested northeastern US. It just seemed as if it used to be 2 or 3 out of ten couldn't merge well with others. Now it seems like 6 or 8 out of ten.

I suppose it's more traffic on the road these days and my advancing years' perception at work.

Apparently with so much more traffic on the road these days the chances of encountering clueless drivers has greatly increased. Cases in point - Since December of 2012, I have had 4 drivers cut directly in front of my 80,000 pound vehicle and stand on their brakes to get to exit ramps. All were near miss potential fatalities. Had I been fiddling with radio knobs or even looking at a side mirror when they chose to do their suicide moves...

Reminds me - I need to get that dash video camera I've been longing for. Might save me some jail time, for it's usually the truck / trucker perceived to be at fault regardless of who did what.


Grumpy
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Apparently I still have not adjusted to merging, 2013 style.

The other day I slowed from 63 to 45 in a posted 65 to let some cars merge. Moving left was not an option for me. 4 of them made it, one did not. As I had a car carrier 15' off my rear trailer, I maintained 45 and the last one had to stop on the ramp.

Mr. stopontheramp followed me for a while during my lengthy 45 MPH back to 63 MPH recovery portion of my trip, (a mile or two?) so that he could call my company's 800 number in Kansas to tell the safety department that I ran him off the road. I guess he figured he'd teach me a lesson in how merging at 40 in a 65 is the proper method after all.

Newest addition to my gear bag - a dash board video camera. If another idiot calls on me, it wouldn't surprise me if I got fired.

Damn - I miss driving a truck in the 70s. The % of clueless anyone and almost everyone is allowed to drive a car (or have a baby) factor was still there, but so many less of them on the road.