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Re: New Bell Construction That document is strangely silent on satellite TV.
I browsed through it and noticed a lot of talk about Fibe TV and triple play. Seems that's where the focus is. |
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| Bell already showed their level of commitment to satellite when they leased the 73W DBS slot to the Americans. Bell TV isn't going to disappear and and they will most likely convert everything to MPEG4 for additional bandwidth, but they're not going to go crazy with it like Dishnet and DirecTV have in the US. They'll forcus their crazyness on Fibe TV instead. |
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Mont
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Saint-Leonard, QC | reply to Gone
said by Gone: unless they mean rollout was completed in 2012 and now they're fully online for new subscriber growth in 2013 I went to read the french documents and the way it's written seem more clear and seem to be exactly what you said.
Nimiq 5 at 72.5W was leased since it seem it was too low of elevation for Western Canada subscribers beside the money also they got a deal on equipment (dish,switches,receivers).
It's definitely not their priority but with both satellites being able to do MPEG 4 they have bandwith for a few years. |
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said by Gone:And yes, they'll either strapped a 7330 onto the OPI in your neighbourhood, or install one in a separate cabinet nearby.
How far away does one have to be or what is the maximum distance from the JWI or FTTC/FTTN Cabinet to qualify for VDSL2+?
The one I noticed is about a couple minutes drive maximum from me in my area. However there might be more in my area that I haven't noticed. |
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Since bonding and vectoring keeps coming up just thought it's worth mentioning that the Stinger's Bell has deployed do not support bonding or vectoring at all. You need to be using a 7330 to get those features. |
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Saint-Leonard, QC | Thanks for mentioning it , i forgot to say it was only for 7330. |
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Hamilton, ON | reply to jumpingryan
Does anyone know what the plans are for replacing the stingers with 7330s?
With Fibe tv they aren't able to offer the full 50mb on a stinger. They have set me to 45mb when the receiver is off though which is nice but would be better if the tv didn't restrict my internet.
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Saint-Leonard, QC | Here in the area most JWI with a stinger got a 7330 installed in the last year or so but it's not activated yet.
They will problably transfer Fibe TV clients or those who want higher speed on it at some point. |
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said by joeybee:Does anyone know what the plans are for replacing the stingers with 7330s?
With Fibe tv they aren't able to offer the full 50mb on a stinger. They have set me to 45mb when the receiver is off though which is nice but would be better if the tv didn't restrict my internet.
I'm sure they will begin overhauling the Alcatel Stingers and replacing them with 7330's over the next 3-5 Years. However their priority would likely to be first to install 7330's in JWI's or area without Remotes and then overhaul the Stingers.
Eventually I can see the end-goal being towards FTTH within 15-30 Years half of Canada if not more will have FTTH. FTTN is always an interim step with potential towards FTTH transition. |
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kudos:3 | Replace Canada with Ontario and Quebec. FTTH deployments are well underway in the Prairies, and almost complete in Atlantic Canada. |
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| said by Gone:Replace Canada with Ontario and Quebec. FTTH deployments are well underway in the Prairies, and almost complete in Atlantic Canada.
Correct me if I am wrong Gone but I thought the FTTH Focus for Bell or their main allocation of budget for FTTH was for Quebec with greenfield and brownfield. In Ontario only greenfield will be receiving it and it seems to be a piecemeal deployment (although not too far from me I read that someone in Markham with a newhouse had received Bell FTTH).
The Prairies will be completed by the end of this decade for Sasktel/MTS (although MTS began it later) and Bell Aliant 50-75% is done with FibreOP deployment (began in 2009). |
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| Right. You said Canada. I said you should replace that with Ontario and Quebec, because outside of Ontario and Quebec they're well underway to having full fibre. Canada isn't exactly backwoods when it comes to FTTH deployments, it's just that Bell Canada isn't worth shit for it and everyone assumes it's the same everywhere in the country.
Bell's focus right now is that all new greenfield developments will be FTTH, with all new servicing since 2010 being FTTH. There's entire swaths of FTTH-fed houses here in Niagara for that reason, and there's even serviced lots ready for building here in Fort Erie that have Bell fibre strung to them. They are also going to overlay copper with fibre in areas that have overhead infrastructure, which is mostly in Quebec as even areas of Ontario that have above-ground hydro and cable tend to still have underground telephone. |
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| said by Gone:Right. You said Canada. I said you should replace that with Ontario and Quebec, because outside of Ontario and Quebec they're well underway to having full fibre. Canada isn't exactly backwoods when it comes to FTTH deployments, it's just that Bell Canada isn't worth shit for it and everyone assumes it's the same everywhere in the country.
Bell's focus right now is that all new greenfield developments will be FTTH, with all new servicing since 2010 being FTTH. There's entire swaths of FTTH-fed houses here in Niagara for that reason, and there's even serviced lots ready for building here in Fort Erie that have Bell fibre strung to them. They are also going to overlay copper with fibre in areas that have overhead infrastructure, which is mostly in Quebec as even areas of Ontario that have above-ground hydro and cable tend to still have underground telephone.
Exactly there are parts of the country in other provinces where FTTH Program's are well underway.
In Ontario and Quebec it is a slower transition due to the late arrival of Bell to the introduction of FTTH and the budget allocation and investment.
It's also a question of population density and size of the provinces. Both Ontario and Quebec account for roughly 18 Million of Canada's entire population which is about 50% and most of the early penetration was done in Ontario and possibly Quebec. The maritime provinces and Saskatchwan/Manitoba have much less of the population but more concentration in the cities than in rural areas. I see it taking perhaps 10-20 years for the GTA to have FTTH GPON and perhaps other cities.
I've heard also that Bell will be doing FTTH to existing Brownfields with Aerial lines but I am not sure about Brownfields with buried copper. |
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| said by FiberToTheX:The maritime provinces and Saskatchwan/Manitoba have much less of the population but more concentration in the cities than in rural areas. I see it taking perhaps 10-20 years for the GTA to have FTTH GPON and perhaps other cities. Incorrect. Ontario and Quebec are far more urban than any of those other provinces. 85% of Ontario's population is considered urban, tied with British Columbia as the most urban province in Canada. Quebec is a bit lower, 80%, but it is still third behind Alberta. Manitoba and Sask are *much* lower - Manitoba is 72%, Sask is 65%. Lower still is Nova Scotia, only 56%. And still even lower is New Brunswick at 51%. Then you've got PEI where there is more rural population than urban, as only 45% of the population is considered urban. All of this information is available from Statscan.
Knowing this, the argument that those provinces have more concentrated urban populations really doesn't apply. Rather, it is a combo of most of the infrastructure being aerial and the telcos being more willing to invest in infrastructure upgrades.
said by FiberToTheX:I've heard also that Bell will be doing FTTH to existing Brownfields with Aerial lines but I am not sure about Brownfields with buried copper. They'll eventually have no choice but to start deploying fibre (most likely as an overlay to existing copper rather than an all-out replacement) in existing areas with buried infrastructure. There will come a point where it will be cheaper to wire up fibre rather than replace old/damaged/non-functional copper infrastructure, and we're quickly reaching that point. Knowing this, it's not a question of if - it's a question of when. |
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| said by Gone:said by FiberToTheX:The maritime provinces and Saskatchwan/Manitoba have much less of the population but more concentration in the cities than in rural areas. I see it taking perhaps 10-20 years for the GTA to have FTTH GPON and perhaps other cities. Incorrect. Ontario and Quebec are far more urban than any of those other provinces. 85% of Ontario's population is considered urban, tied with British Columbia as the most urban province in Canada. Quebec is a bit lower, 80%, but it is still third behind Alberta. Manitoba and Sask are *much* lower - Manitoba is 72%, Sask is 65%. Lower still is Nova Scotia, only 56%. And still even lower is New Brunswick at 51%. Then you've got PEI where there is more rural population than urban, as only 45% of the population is considered urban. All of this information is available from Statscan. Knowing this, the argument that those provinces have more concentrated urban populations really doesn't apply. Rather, it is a combo of most of the infrastructure being aerial and the telcos being more willing to invest in infrastructure upgrades. said by FiberToTheX:I've heard also that Bell will be doing FTTH to existing Brownfields with Aerial lines but I am not sure about Brownfields with buried copper. They'll eventually have no choice but to start deploying fibre (most likely as an overlay to existing copper rather than an all-out replacement) in existing areas with buried infrastructure. There will come a point where it will be cheaper to wire up fibre rather than replace old/damaged/non-functional copper infrastructure, and we're quickly reaching that point. Knowing this, it's not a question of if - it's a question of when. Somehow I had always thought that those other provinces were more Urbanized than Ontario seeing the size and scale of Ontario. I just checked and you are right on that. Thanks for correcting me.
When you mention an overlay to existing copper wouldn't it simply be more cost-effective to replace that copper with strands of fiber. From what I gather copper has a lifespan of roughly 30 years whereas fiber has a lifespan of roughly 100 years which is more than double that of copper. When Verizon FiOS first began the cost for BPON FTTH was about $4000 in 2004. That figure was reduced to $650 around 2010 and later on GPON. I dont think it is expensive per house to go from copper to fiber considering FiOS was also deployed in brown fields with buried copper.
I just can't really see them trying to keep pushing out more remotes post the 7330 as VDSL FTTN is an interim step. Perhaps once areas receive the 7330 then 5-10 years later GPON FTTH will be introduced. I understand that vectoring is being introduced but sooner or later VDSL will have to be replaced. |
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said by FiberToTheX:said by Gone:And yes, they'll either strapped a 7330 onto the OPI in your neighbourhood, or install one in a separate cabinet nearby.
How far away does one have to be or what is the maximum distance from the JWI or FTTC/FTTN Cabinet to qualify for VDSL2+? The one I noticed is about a couple minutes drive maximum from me in my area. However there might be more in my area that I haven't noticed. To get the full speed you a need a loop length of 1.2km of the remote. |
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Ontario is more urbanized because the vast majority of the population lives near Toronto, Ottawa and maybe London. Even the ones who don't live near those cities are close to other cities like Kingston or Thunder Bay.
Much of Ontario has a very sparse or non-existent population.
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said by Gone:They'll eventually have no choice but to start deploying fibre (most likely as an overlay to existing copper rather than an all-out replacement) in existing areas with buried infrastructure. There will come a point where it will be cheaper to wire up fibre rather than replace old/damaged/non-functional copper infrastructure, and we're quickly reaching that point. Knowing this, it's not a question of if - it's a question of when.
If Bell makes the investment to install fibre in a brownfield area, they will cut the copper - simply to save on maintenance costs and to lock out wholesale. It won't be an overlay - it will be an all-out replacement.
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| said by HeadSpinning:If Bell makes the investment to install fibre in a brownfield area, they will cut the copper - simply to save on maintenance costs and to lock out wholesale. It won't be an overlay - it will be an all-out replacement. I can't see them doing anything different than what they have done in the US, which is overlay first with a phased transition and disconnection later. I believe this is how it was one in Quebec City, too. Once the copper plant actually breaks, becomes more expensive to maintain or the phased transition is complete in an area then they'll turn off the copper (I can't see them actually ripping it out, either), but prior to that there will be a transition period where they run both networks rather than installing ONTs into every single home all at once. I'd put money on it. |
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