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00000 | It's not stealing A group of broadcasters, including Fox and PBS, immediately issued a statement calling the ruling "a loss for the entire creative community," adding that "the court has ruled that it is ok to steal copyrighted material and retransmit it without compensation." Commercials are transmitted with Aereo, so how exactly is this stealing? It's only stealing if antenna users are also stealing. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | If thats stealing, then I don't want to know what it I do when I watch DVR'd OTA shows with my friends, who don't live with me, and skip the comercials. |
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| said by me1212:If thats stealing, then I don't want to know what it I do when I watch DVR'd OTA shows with my friends, who don't live with me, and skip the comercials.
You should be considered an economic terrorist. You're stealing from hard working network executives who are just trying to support their families. You should be shipped off to Gitmo. Sorry... couldn't resist 
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Yeah those nice starving ex's familily members that have to suffer eating Regular beef instead of fillet Mignon...How Dare you..LOL but I like it |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | And the kids that might have to driven to school in a BMW instead of a Rolls Royce!
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Commercials have nothing to do with copyrighted material. It's illegal to copy and reuse copyrighted material, regardless of whether you include the commercials or not. |
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DVRing shows for personal use in your home is not illegal, whether you fast forward through the commercials or not. This was established long ago in the Betamax case. |
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 RARPSL
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Suffern, NY | reply to me1212
said by me1212:If thats stealing, then I don't want to know what it I do when I watch DVR'd OTA shows with my friends, who don't live with me, and skip the comercials.
You have the right to skip the commercials (or leave the room while they are playing). All the sponsor buys is the right to have their ad transmitted so it can be potentially viewed - Not the right to force it to actually be viewed. So long as the commercial is actually transmitted and recorded (if the show is not being viewed in real time) they have gotten what they paid for. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to MyDogHsFleas
said by MyDogHsFleas:Commercials have nothing to do with copyrighted material. It's illegal to copy and reuse copyrighted material, regardless of whether you include the commercials or not.
However it is not a copy, It is a format conversion from an OTA Antenna to a stream. And it is technically only available in the broadcast area.
That is why this case is not open and shut in the courts. If it were just about copyright it would be case closed for Aero.
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said by morbo:Commercials are transmitted with Aereo, so how exactly is this stealing? It's only stealing if antenna users are also stealing.
OK so let's think of it another way.
Let's say an ice cream truck is giving away free ice cream. You come up and you get as much as you want.
But then you decide to break into the ice cream store (owned by the same company) and simply take as much as you want.
Is the latter stealing or not?
Another thing is that I can see Aereo's workaround as being clever and proper but it really does defy the laws of physics. How does a dime sized antenna in an electrically noisy datacenter pick up anything? |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH | reply to MyDogHsFleas
Except that Aereo is doing it on a 1:1 basis, so it is just like a community antenna. Are condo community antennas now illegal too? Didn't think so. |
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That's a terrible analogy. Ice cream is a finite resource. OTA transmissions are not. |
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 badtripI heart the East BayPremium
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Albany, CA | reply to fifty nine
No. To use your ice cream analogy, it's like the ice cream truck driver is charging his customers a fee for ice cream that the ice cream company just leaves out on the sallyport with a sign that says "Free". |
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If they had solid merit the broadcasters would have received an injunction. Having failed at that, the court is basically saying your chances of winning are slim. |
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SMH. I have no words to describe that horrendous analogy. Anyway, I'm willing to bet all the ice cream in that truck that Aereo will win in court, again and again. What are they losing? Absolutely nothing! Just another attempt to hold onto an old, outdated, lacking imagination and use of relevant technology to reach the customers. They're pissed they did not come up with it. |
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said by Kearnstd:said by MyDogHsFleas:Commercials have nothing to do with copyrighted material. It's illegal to copy and reuse copyrighted material, regardless of whether you include the commercials or not.
However it is not a copy, It is a format conversion from an OTA Antenna to a stream. And it is technically only available in the broadcast area. That is why this case is not open and shut in the courts. If it were just about copyright it would be case closed for Aero. It is not a format conversion either in the legal sense.
Calling it a format conversion would be saying your converting formats when you pick up TV with an external antenna connected to a HD tuner then connecting that to your TV with an HDMI cable so your TV can display the channel.
Technically that is converting formats, but not in the legal way.
Aereo does not even offer 1 TV channel.
They lease you an antenna, a tuner, and a DVR that you connect to over the internet. You only get the channels that the antenna you lease picks up.
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Your analogy is funny.
Aereo does not offer 1 TV channel. They only lease you an antenna, a tuner, and a DVR. You only get the channels that your leased antenna picks up.
As for your ice cream truck, it would be like if Aereo leased you an ice cream truck and you went to a store and bought ice cream to fill the truck with.
You lease the truck so you can fill it with anything that is legal.
With Aereo you lease the antenna so you can watch any free OTA channels that it legally picks up.
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Oh the humanity! LOL 
They might only be able to afford to lease a Gulfstream 4 for their next vacation instead of a Gulfstream 5. (Wasn't it Brittney Spears who spewed some garbage like that when whining about people pirating music? Couldn't resist.)
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said by RARPSL:So long as the commercial is actually transmitted and recorded (if the show is not being viewed in real time) they have gotten what they paid for. You just made me want to invent a DVR that automatically skips recording commercials even more than ever.
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Broadcasters get paid by advertisers based on viewership. Aereo doesn't (currently) factor into those viewership numbers. |
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