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Usenet will never die

Usenet could die. Nothing lasts forever. The popularity and ease of use of indexers, Sabnzbd, etc., made it a target.
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK

Scared? It's not fear. It's convenience. Back in the 90's, I used to use news reader apps to pull down headers, sort, and search for what I wanted, having to pull down pars and shit and spend a significant amount of time to acquire content. I don't have to do that anymore. If it fails, I just grab another set since there's usually 3-4 uploads for anything I'm looking for.

If they keep things the way they are right now, I'll be fine. If they take things a step further and restrict my access, I'll go to VPN torrents.
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK

yep I'm doing usenet and the VPN thing. It's nice as my VPN provider has a P2P servers and DNS I let my in laws use to get US netflix all for one low price.

I've yet to have to use torrents much but on one thing I did but it's nice to have a backup in case.

reply to imtim83
I just don't see how the Usenet providers can survive once the MPAA and RIAA's of the world set their sights on them. They destroyed all of the Indexers they went after, and I think the Indexers had a stronger case. The Providers actually have the infringing content stored on their servers. No one is going to pay a monthly premium subscription when 90 % of the content is DMCA'd after 4 hours. The business model for the Providers just isn't sustainable. The core Usenet infrastructure may be safe, but if there aren't any Providers available, there is no way to access it.

Not really true. The safe harbor provisions save the ISPs and Usenet providers. Why do you think you see all the take-downs and account terminations?

On the other hand, the indexers are contributory infringers. That is, they enable infringement by others.
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"You lie!" Talk about an understatement, Joe.

reply to imtim83
You also have to wonder why no ones trying to profit from the stricter rules in the EU and the USA. You would hope that some ingenious entrepreneurs would setup some USEnet servers where the laws aren't so severe?

That's probably harder than you think. You have to find a location that:

1. Has power and telecom infrastructure in place already;

2. Is politically stable;

3. Has the ability to quickly obtain hardware;

4. Has no desire to join the world political stage by attacking "infringing" IP activity;

5. Doesn't implement onerous tax burdens/restrictions on revenue.

I'm sure there a bunch of other considerations as well. It's just not going to be that easy.
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"You lie!" Talk about an understatement, Joe.

I'm sure that indexing sites will exist for long time, expecially after Newznab scrypt that everyone can use and make own indexer. The only problem is that the big backend provider will be attacked by DCMA companies and I think already soon the whole uploaded content will be censored. The main problem then could be that many people will be fed up with reposting and noone will do it.

reply to imtim83
Usenet will die.. it is only when there is a better/easier way though.. but it will transition.. just as one day these forums will probably be gone too.. Life/death/rebirth is part of the cycles of life.. or "technology" if you will.. only a 100 years ago the radio phenomena was taking off.. how many of you still "listen" to the radio.??. for myself never

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But let's be clear.. I see the usenet thriving right now.. certain groups/peeps are bypassing the takedowns quiet easily.. but the super "ease" of easy nzb's seem gone for now..

Are you kidding? Every day. Talk radio is irreplaceable.

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reply to imtim83
Until the next big thing comes along I can't see usenet going away. There are ways to get around takedowns and most of them cost a little money.
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FINAL FOUR, BABY!!!

reply to imtim83
What made Usetnet a target was pretty simple:

Effing idiots that couldn't STFU about it.

Basically, I'm talking about idiot 12 year olds who went to brag to other idiots over at the Pirate Bay.

Jerk off dumb f**ks.

Like children that have stepped in a pile of dog$hit, they track it through the house not really giving a flying f**k about the trail of $hit they leave everywhere.

Like idiots who post messages with a subject header of "Usenet will never die" - they do it as if to hear themselves talk.

That's a perfect example of your basic birdbrain dumb f**k.

The best thing to do with these idiots is ignore them.

Don't invite them to places.

Shun them like you would shun any retard that you don't want to mate with simply because it's a detriment to the gene pool.

Treat them the same way and eventually they'll go find their sister's dolls or their mom's underwear to play with.

reply to kingdome74
Indeed

What gets me is people who think they should be able to download anything at any time for free. People, the world has changed. The days of opening up Napster and downloading all the misnamed files you want are over. If you are bitterly clinging to open-torrents then don't be surprised if you get the notice of some people you don't want to know. Newsgroups are no longer a safe haven if your intention is to download pristine files. Things cost money and it's heading toward a much pricier world and if you don't pay you don't get to play. It's all heading back to the beginning when file-sharing was a private affair known only to those who care to know about it. In the meantime the chafe is being separated from the wheat.
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FINAL FOUR, BABY!!!

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reply to imtim83
I eventually got a seedbox and switched to torrents after all the DMCA nonsense. I switched to a European provider for a month, but didn't find it all that more convenient.

I pay about the same for my seedbox now, it makes keeping ratios in good standing easy.

I only get TV shows, though.