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Re: [DSL] A paying customer of more than 4yrs is not worth $25 said by HiVolt:Lets put website terminology & what the supervisor told you aside for a minute...
These charges are imposed by Bell in the wholesale tariffs... In a way, there are three levels of service offered by wholesale ISP such as TSI.
- Legacy GAS (Gateway Access Service), which is the plain 6/0.8M ADSL1 we've been used to for the past 10 years...
- FTTN ADSL2+, which the tiers are now maximum 15/1M. This is fibre to the neighbourhood, on ADSL2+ technology,
- FTTN VDSL2, which offers 15/10, 25/10 and 50/10, which is similar to ADSL2+ where a remote is in your neighbourhood, but uses different technology and very different modems.
Bell likes to charge for a change in between these levels of services, just like if it was a new order... TekSavvy has to pass this on, or be losing money for a while until they recover this cost. The profit margins on wholesale ISP services are slim, especially now with the capacity rates that they have to pay for their usage on the incumbents network.
And I believe Andre or Marc explained on DSLr posts that changing products causes activation, and changing speeds on a product is speed change.
Legacy GAS -> FTTN ADSL2/2+ $50 Activation
Legacy GAS -> FTTN VDSL $50 Activation
FTTN ADSL2/2+ -> Legacy GAS $50 Activation
FTTN ADSL2/2+ -> FTTN VDSL $50 Activation
FTTN ADSL2/2+ -> FTTN ADSL2/2+ $25 Speed change
FTTN VDSL -> Legacy GAS $50 Activation
FTTN VDSL -> FTTN ADSL2/2+ $50 Activation
FTTN VDSL -> FTTN VDSL $25 Speed change |
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kudos:15 | Yeah exactly... What a clusterfuck, CRTC just let them do this garbage...
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said by HiVolt:Yeah exactly... What a clusterfuck, CRTC just let them do this garbage... Well, there is a plausible truck roll to switch the line between DSLAMs and truck rolls are expensive no matter how trivial work order might be. |
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| said by InvalidError:said by HiVolt:Yeah exactly... What a clusterfuck, CRTC just let them do this garbage... Well, there is a plausible truck roll to switch the line between DSLAMs and truck rolls are expensive no matter how trivial work order might be. Yeah, but that should just be a cost of doing business for them... They are making a killing now on CBB rates...
You don't see cable companies charging the end user for node splits, or silly dryloop fees...
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| said by HiVolt:Yeah, but that should just be a cost of doing business for them... They are making a killing now on CBB rates...
You don't see cable companies charging the end user for node splits, or silly dryloop fees...
You mean that Bell is making a killing right and that they should eat these costs? |
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said by HiVolt:You don't see cable companies charging the end user for node splits, or silly dryloop fees... You do not see cablecos running individual coax from the HFC box to homes the way each home has its own dedicated pair to maintain on DSL/POTS so maintenance/operating costs aren't quite the same there and you do not see Bell charging for installing remotes either.
On cable, speed changes are just a profile change on shared QAMs so there is no imminent physical change requirement associated with individual speed changes and node splits could be avoided by adding QAMs but cablecos are favoring smaller nodes before extra QAMs, likely to improve signal quality and reduce the number of in-line amplifiers per node since amplifiers add and amplify noise too... this used to be a major problem ~20 years ago, before cablecos started adding HFC to fix rampant signal quality issues, particularly near the end-of-lines where OTA signals and noise often overpowered cable signals. |
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