 TSI AndreGot TekSavvy?Premium,VIP join:2008-06-03 Chatham, ON kudos:7 | reply to lehons
Re: HELP! Teksavvy or Colbanet for budget internet in Montreal? I totally understand.
Ultimately, we pass this fee on and believe me, if we could not charge it, we wouldn't. |
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 lehons join:2013-04-03 Montreal, QC | reply to MFido said by MFido:The DSL prices went down. Cable prices go up ... Say thanks to CRTC Wait, what? DSL prices are going down? Now there's something else I need to consider in this decision?! |
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 | Colba's price won't drop because the ADSL2+ package doesn't use the services effected by the CRTC's recent decisions. (Those decisions relate to FTTN DSL services) |
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 | said by DSL_Ricer:Colba's price won't drop because the ADSL2+ package doesn't use the services effected by the CRTC's recent decisions. (Those decisions relate to FTTN DSL services) Then again, at 19.95 for unlimited 24-meg, how much lower would one expect them to go in price? |
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 lehons join:2013-04-03 Montreal, QC | reply to lehons Well thanks for all the help and advice everyone. I just signed up for Teksavvy's 5/300 service (for what that's worth, until it becomes 5/75). I'll post a review in a couple of months. |
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 lehons join:2013-04-03 Montreal, QC | reply to Irenic said by Irenic:Forgot to include the obligatory joke about using the internet at the office for personal purposes on our tax payer's dime.  Ha! Just noticed this. And here I am again. |
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 | There's always EBOX. No dryloop fee |
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 | said by gnumantsc:There's always EBOX. No dryloop fee There is but it's included in the price. |
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| said by bbwarrior:said by gnumantsc:There's always EBOX. No dryloop fee There is but it's included in the price. Just like other ISP's, who do the same thing, they incorporate the dry loop fee into the package. what's your point?
gnumantsc was just stating that it's not an additional fee like teksavvy, etc.... |
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 | said by rednekcowboy:Just like other ISP's, who do the same thing, they incorporate the dry loop fee into the package. what's your point?
gnumantsc was just stating that it's not an additional fee like teksavvy, etc.... TSI made room for a dry loop in their pricing instead of forcing it on people so what's your point ?
Does it smell and taste better when it's marketed as included? What about max overage $25 max on TSI vs the sky is the limit on Ebox ? |
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 | said by bbwarrior:Does it smell and taste better when it's marketed as included? What about max overage $25 max on TSI vs the sky is the limit on Ebox ? There's an overhead cost to offering a service as a separate billable item. There's also usually some minimum profit per line item that businesses want to see.
When I last looked at dry loop fees (admittedly well over a year ago now) the usual markup based on the regulated price was around 100% when each band was separated; and slightly less so when there was some grouping. If you consider that internet access over all had much lower margins, I'd say that customers are likely to be paying less of a markup on dry loop with companies that bundle the cost.
Now, whether that translates to a cheaper price over all is a completely separate issue since cost of support (or lack thereof), purchased aggregated bandwidth, etc. has become a significant cost factor.
As for max overages, TSI has upped those on higher cable tiers. There's a reason why there's now a 135$ difference in between cable-150 300GB and Unlimited. They also don't list a max overage on that tier. |
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 | said by DSL_Ricer:There's an overhead cost to offering a service as a separate billable item. There's also usually some minimum profit per line item that businesses want to see.
Even after overhead the difference is ~$2/mo and TSI has an extra 50 GB of transfer. Where there's a huge difference is the people who already have a wet loop, they'd be paying the same rate on Ebox.
The OP is looking for the most cost effective solution, TSI's basic cable beats DSL even without a dry loop.
TSI Cable 5Mbps / 1Mbps, 75 GB transfer $24.95 Ebox Cable 5Mbps / 1 Mbps, 50 GB transfer $26.95 TSI DSL 6Mbps / 800 Kbps, 75 GB transfer $26.99 + $9? for dry loop Ebox DSL 6Mbps / 800 Kbps, 100 GB transfer $30.95 or $40.90 with dry loop
Max overage is $50 on cable, $25 on DSL for TSI. Ebox has no max overage, billed at 0.50/GB.
said by DSL_Ricer:As for max overages, TSI has upped those on higher cable tiers. There's a reason why there's now a 135$ difference in between cable-150 300GB and Unlimited. They also don't list a max overage on that tier. Perfectly understandable considering the speed but they managed to do this for 30/10 and down so it's a plus in my book. They're different business models, I prefer TSI's where we can afford not to look at the counter even if we're on a 75 GB plan. |
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1 edit | reply to bbwarrior said by bbwarrior:said by rednekcowboy:Just like other ISP's, who do the same thing, they incorporate the dry loop fee into the package. what's your point?
gnumantsc was just stating that it's not an additional fee like teksavvy, etc.... TSI made room for a dry loop in their pricing instead of forcing it on people so what's your point ? Does it smell and taste better when it's marketed as included? What about max overage $25 max on TSI vs the sky is the limit on Ebox ? Which is why it's good to have a choice. I still don't see the point you are trying to make about them including it in the price? With Ebox what you see is what you pay, with companies that don't include it in the price, it's an extra in most people's eyes. All depends on how you look at it but I've never heard of anyone bashing on a company because they show the total bill rather than having separate charges all the while splashing this deceivingly low package price on the main page and then putting the additional fees in small print somewhere hard to find.....to each his own I guess
FWIW, you'll be hard-pressed to find a 30 down/10 up package with a 500 GB (making it virtually unlimited for the majority of people) for $60/month with anyone else in Quebec without them having some sort of catch or shenanigans like half-speed peak throttles, etc. Neither will you find the support that Ebox gives it's customers anywhere else period. |
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 | said by rednekcowboy:Which is why it's good to have a choice. I still don't see the point you are trying to make about them including it in the price? With Ebox what you see is what you pay, with companies that don't include it in the price, it's an extra in most people's eyes. All depends on how you look at it but I've never heard of anyone bashing on a company because they show the total bill rather than having separate charges all the while splashing this deceivingly low package price on the main page and then putting the additional fees in small print somewhere hard to find.....to each his own I guess
I'm also not seeing the point of your contribution to this thread when the client is looking at the most cost effective solution. Check my pricing comparison above, TSI's basic cable offering is the best deal.
Arguing about the bundled dry loop won't change any of that.
said by rednekcowboy:FWIW, you'll be hard-pressed to find a 30 down/10 up package with a 500 GB (making it virtually unlimited for the majority of people) for $60/month with anyone else in Quebec without them having some sort of catch or shenanigans like half-speed peak throttles, etc. Neither will you find the support that Ebox gives it's customers anywhere else period. Yeah they serve a purpose and I'm glad they're around. |
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| said by bbwarrior:said by rednekcowboy:Which is why it's good to have a choice. I still don't see the point you are trying to make about them including it in the price? With Ebox what you see is what you pay, with companies that don't include it in the price, it's an extra in most people's eyes. All depends on how you look at it but I've never heard of anyone bashing on a company because they show the total bill rather than having separate charges all the while splashing this deceivingly low package price on the main page and then putting the additional fees in small print somewhere hard to find.....to each his own I guess
I'm also not seeing the point of your contribution to this thread when the client is looking at the most cost effective solution. Check my pricing comparison above, TSI's basic cable offering is the best deal. Arguing about the bundled dry loop won't change any of that. said by rednekcowboy:FWIW, you'll be hard-pressed to find a 30 down/10 up package with a 500 GB (making it virtually unlimited for the majority of people) for $60/month with anyone else in Quebec without them having some sort of catch or shenanigans like half-speed peak throttles, etc. Neither will you find the support that Ebox gives it's customers anywhere else period. Yeah they serve a purpose and I'm glad they're around. I asked what your point was by putting out a one-liner saying it's included in their price, you're the one that scaled it into a debate and still haven't answered that question......
FYI, if you're going to take jabs at a company, maybe you should prepare yourself prior to posting your comments for some objections to your statements. |
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 | said by rednekcowboy:I asked what your point was by putting out a one-liner saying it's included in their price, you're the one that scaled it into a debate and still haven't answered that question......
FYI, if you're going to take jabs at a company, maybe you should prepare yourself prior to posting your comments for some objections to your statements. I said what I had to say about the bundled dry loop.
Can you recommend a cheaper package ? |
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 | said by rednekcowboy:There's more to the value of a bundle than price alone.... Price is what moves me, and most people. What else is there in a bundle aside from price? Anything? I'd say no.
If you are talking bundle, which you are, videotron kicks everyones ass. Both Ebox and TSI.
What bundles do they offer?
But in my sordid opinion, TSI is dropping the ball on Quebec, big time, in favour of Ontario. I wouldn't be surprised if they even pulled out of offering Quebec cable by 2014. Their prices stink unless you get the very lowest of cable offering. I wouldn't go near TSI in Qc personally, unless you wanted the lowest cost & lowest speed offering as bbwarrior pointed out. |
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 TSI MarcPremium,VIP join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON kudos:13 | said by Shrug :But in my sordid opinion, TSI is dropping the ball on Quebec, big time, in favour of Ontario. I wouldn't be surprised if they even pulled out of offering Quebec cable by 2014. Their prices stink unless you get the very lowest of cable offering. I wouldn't go near TSI in Qc personally, unless you wanted the lowest cost & lowest speed offering as bbwarrior pointed out. We have zero intention of pulling out. But the high rates are more of a statement than anything. With the CRTC approved $2000+/100mbit CBB rate, its just suicide. Anybody pricing very aggressively will feel exactly what we did last year with a 60k user base noose around your neck.
So, I'd love to make a better offer.. I truly would. For the higher speeds, forgive me if I'm content in leaving others impale themselves with heavy users at that CBB rate.
It's not because I have no love for QC.. French is my first language... We opened an office in Gatineau even.. We hired many bilingual staff anticipating this CRTC decision... I think they got the rates in QC wrong somehow. -- Marc - CEO/TekSavvy |
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