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Kia & Hyundai cars recall

»www.cbc.ca/news/business ··· all.html

something about the brake lights. Quality going downhill?

KIA=Keep It Away.

Gone
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Quality going downhill? Compared to what, exactly? At least they're doing this before there's an incident, versus covering it up and instead only doing it after cars running wild down down the highway killing people *coughToyotacough*

My Elantra is not affected.

Wolfie00
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There is a relatively small number of Elantras being recalled for an airbag problem. The big recall that involves many Hyundais and Kias is over a brake light switch. All of them used the same switch. "Quality going downhill"? Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about either.

dirtyjeffer0
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it doesn't look like either of our vehicles are affected either...recalls don't bother me (especially voluntary ones)...it is simply a company's way of fixing for free what is defective...as Gone mentioned, it's better than the company's that deny any issue and make you pay for them...i'd much rather have a company say "Our part appears to be defective, please bring in your vehicle and we will replace the part at no charge" rather than "Yea, you have a bad sensor, $250 please".

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Strange thing, a brake switch...

What I'd like to know, is how do they determine which models are REALLY affected, as the range is very large across multiple vehicles...

Surely the brake switch supplier is the same for all those vehicles, and I guess they keep production samples for a long time to compare or do testing with?

dirtyjeffer0
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it is quite possible they found a manufacturing defect in the switch...the supplier then went back to determine the switches that were built during that period, which coincides with specific vehicles made using them...while it is quite probable there are likely many switches which work just fine, it is likely much better (safer, cheaper, etc) to replace all affected switches rather than face the legal issues if they bury known problems, or the cost of bad PR if they did nothing...i mean, it's been how many decades since the Ford Pinto?

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Oh, definitely... Just curious about the process... A brake switch is a relatively cheap and quick swap, so it's a win-win for Hyundai to replace it...

milnoc
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said by dirtyjeffer0:

i mean, it's been how many decades since the Ford Pinto?

If your Hyundai's brake lights fail to light up because of the broken switch, will the car explode into a raging fireball when it gets tapped by the car behind you?

Wolfie00
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A defective switch could also prevent cruise control from disengaging, which could have more interesting consequences than just the brake lights failing to light up!

It is, in any case, just a switch. Easy to replace.

HiVolt
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said by Wolfie00:

A defective switch could also prevent cruise control from disengaging, which could have more interesting consequences than just the brake lights failing to light up!

It is, in any case, just a switch. Easy to replace.

True, but there may be another backup there from the ABS controller which no doubt can sense pressure and return a signal.

Speaking of cruise control, a friend of mine had it go haywire in a maxima... the servo went nuts and locked up full in full acceleration. Lucky he was on the highway with nobody around, and was able to flip it to neutral and pull over... Oddly enough the car was out of warranty but the dealer replaced the parts at no cost...

I wonder if it was some sort of silent recall.

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said by Gone:

*coughToyotacough*

Umm, when the dust settled, any major story that came out ultimately put the blame on the drivers, not Toyota.

»www.caranddriver.com/fea ··· -feature
LastDon
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said by dsl33:

»www.cbc.ca/news/business ··· all.html

something about the brake lights. Quality going downhill?

KIA=Keep It Away.

shouldn't buy a honda or toyota or even a ford either right? cause if you get a ford high chance the engine might catch on fire.

there is your quality lol
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said by HiVolt:

Strange thing, a brake switch...

What I'd like to know, is how do they determine which models are REALLY affected, as the range is very large across multiple vehicles...

Surely the brake switch supplier is the same for all those vehicles, and I guess they keep production samples for a long time to compare or do testing with?

that is something i'd like to know as well.

like how do they know which models used what etc.

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said by LastDon:

like how do they know which models used what etc.

Never looked at a shop service manual, eh?
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said by Robert4:

said by Gone:

*coughToyotacough*

Umm, when the dust settled, any major story that came out ultimately put the blame on the drivers, not Toyota.

»www.caranddriver.com/fea ··· -feature

Those of you old enough to have been shaving for more than 25 years might remember the same hysteria going on with the Audi 5000.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su ··· leration
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said by Gone:

said by LastDon:

like how do they know which models used what etc.

Never looked at a shop service manual, eh?

I meant to say how do they know which vehicles used that same part etc.

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Date ranges and serial numbers.

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said by Wolfie00:

A defective switch could also prevent cruise control from disengaging, which could have more interesting consequences than just the brake lights failing to light up!

Possibly a clever way to talk your way out of a speeding ticket! "Sorry, officer! My Hyundai's defective brake switch kept the cruise control engaged!"

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Had that happen on an 86 Tbird with a hopped up 306. The taillight fuse blew and had the cruise set at 70. Came flying up behind a car so hit the brakes. Cruise control drops the throttle----fun stuff.

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Same car, three model years newer, and the throttle sensor failed at a high setting point somewhere along HWY 11 on the way to North Bay after passing a car. Zoom zoom zoom!

A few years later the head gasket failed, killing the car prematurely.
vue666 (banned)
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said by Gone:

Quality going downhill? Compared to what, exactly? At least they're doing this before there's an incident, versus covering it up and instead only doing it after cars running wild down down the highway killing people *coughToyotacough*

My Elantra is not affected.

Exactly. Recalls are a good thing... It's called being proactive...
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said by vue666:

said by Gone:

Quality going downhill? Compared to what, exactly? At least they're doing this before there's an incident, versus covering it up and instead only doing it after cars running wild down down the highway killing people *coughToyotacough*

My Elantra is not affected.

Exactly. Recalls are a good thing... It's called being proactive...

better than GM... my wifes car a daewoo built chevy is on its third recall for the same problem in 2 years!

myself my pontiac sunfire had a recall on the ignition switch (fire) instead of changing the switch they added a timed relay cutoff under the hood or my grand prix recall that had an issue with the engine catching fire...
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said by Robert4:

said by Gone:

*coughToyotacough*

Umm, when the dust settled, any major story that came out ultimately put the blame on the drivers, not Toyota.

»www.caranddriver.com/fea ··· -feature

Perhaps so but Toyota's legal settlements continue... If they are not at fault then why are they so quick to settle?

»news.yahoo.com/toyota-se ··· nce.html

»dolanlegal.com/blog/2013 ··· adaches/

»www.toyotaelsettlement.com/

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said by vue666:

said by Robert4:

said by Gone:

*coughToyotacough*

Umm, when the dust settled, any major story that came out ultimately put the blame on the drivers, not Toyota.

»www.caranddriver.com/fea ··· -feature

Perhaps so but Toyota's legal settlements continue... If they are not at fault then why are they so quick to settle?

Their legal team likely determined it's cheaper to settle than go to trial.
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said by milnoc:

said by Wolfie00:

A defective switch could also prevent cruise control from disengaging, which could have more interesting consequences than just the brake lights failing to light up!

Possibly a clever way to talk your way out of a speeding ticket! "Sorry, officer! My Hyundai's defective brake switch kept the cruise control engaged!"

There is still the master switch on the steering wheel.

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My car is likely affected but I have no brake light problems. Going to call the stealer and see what they say.
vue666 (banned)
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Their legal team likely determined it's cheaper to settle than go to trial.

Perhaps and perhaps not....
quote:
"It would seem that Toyota did not want a public airing of the evidence that has been gathered in the lawsuits, so that it can continue to say that there is not a problem," Spagnoli said. "If Toyota felt it could have successfully defended its products in these cases, it would have welcomed a public trial."

»www.usatoday.com/story/m ··· 1851813/