 AMDUSERPremium
join:2003-05-28
Earth
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Re: What are the substantive reasons to reject Windows 8? Unusable... user interface matters.
The 'reminder' messages that you are not connected to the internet.. didn't help. [Some of the applications would try to connect when I was checking the hardware information using the device manager.]
Windows 8 does not offer any options / enhancements over Windows 7. At least that I could tell..
As for me- I'll stick with what works- Windows 7. |
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 NOYBSt. John 3.16Premium
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
kudos:1 | reply to Gem
Re: What are the substantive reasons to reject Windows 8?
On a serious note now...
Old specialty hardware with no compatible Windows 8 drivers.
Old incompatible software.
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
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Using Wikipedia (I know, not authoritative, but convenient), there doesn't seem to be a lot I actually want on desktop systems right now.
Mounting ISOs and VHDs may have got more convenient, but it's already possible in Windows 7.
There may be some handy stuff in Task Manager.
Full support for 4K sectors is good, without a doubt, but not too interesting on systems that are already running, since any disks they have with 4K sectors offer 512-byte emulation and the OS is quite happy (besides, my system disks are SSD)
That's not to say that the features are not good; they're simply not compelling enough reasons to upgrade. |
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Re: What are the substantive reasons to reject Windows 8? said by NOYB:
On a serious note now...
Old specialty hardware with no compatible Windows 8 drivers.
Old incompatible software.
That's pretty much the same with all new OS.
For one, I have some specialty HW (costing over $2k when new) that requires an ISA slot and Win95 or NT. 
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Mele20Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | reply to Archivis
said by Archivis:What does Windows 8 offer of value to make me want to switch from Windows 7?
That is not what he should ask. Not everyone faced with buying a new computer has been using Win 7. Win 8 (with something like Start8) is more acceptable to an XP user who never had Win 7 as the Win 8 Desktop Gui is more like that of XP. It lacks the fat, bloated, slow look of windows 7. It looks fast and sleek. As for Aero, there is Aero Glass for Windows 8 that is in beta now.
There is no simple, "fits all" answer to what is wrong or right with any OS. The decision of what is best for a user is highly individualized.
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Mele20Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | reply to NotTheMama
said by NotTheMama:Windows 7 is essentially Vista 3.0; there was the initial release of Vista, followed by the much updated & corrected versions of Vista--until M$ eventually "got it right", and finally Windows 7.
No, Vista is far superior to Win 7 because Vista is far more customizable to be just like XP GUI wise. XP Pro is the finest OS from Microsoft NOT Win 7 where even when using third party programs to correct the mess of the GUI in Win 7 it still is not nearly as good a GUI as XP and Vista.
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 XiodenPremium
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY
kudos:1 | reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:said by Archivis:What does Windows 8 offer of value to make me want to switch from Windows 7?
Win 8 (with something like Start8) is more acceptable to an XP user who never had Win 7 as the Win 8 Desktop Gui is more like that of XP. It lacks the fat, bloated, slow look of windows 7. It looks fast and sleek. As for Aero, there is Aero Glass for Windows 8 that is in beta now. Hahaha... You're kidding right? No really, it's a joke isn't it?
You can have Windows 7 looking like XP in 3 clicks. The only thing at that point that really isn't the same is the run command being gone off the start menu (which really isn't hard to understand is now simply the same as the search bar in the start menu, or win+R). |
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said by koitsu:I'm probably that "knowledgable member who runs XP" that you refer to. Whee. :P
My list of reasons for staying with XP, at this point, is somewhere in the low hundreds (in the 1xx range), and I'm not exaggerating in the least.
It would take me weeks to create the full list of all the reasons (you are not the first person who would be inclined to ask me for such (I've had several)). Many of them are bugs in Windows 7 itself and have been fixed (even with SP1), and a good number are GUI or UI-related (read: not involving third-party software). These are outright bugs/flaws and not matters of opinion -- what is a matter of opinion, however, is how severe I consider them. They're major enough that they're deal-breakers for me when it comes to my own home workstatation, where I have no tolerance for fooling about.
Could you at least list a few of them, maybe a top 5 technical reasons you dislike Windows 7? Or is it really just the Windows 7 UI that you dislike?
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 CylonRedPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
1 edit | reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:said by NotTheMama:Windows 7 is essentially Vista 3.0; there was the initial release of Vista, followed by the much updated & corrected versions of Vista--until M$ eventually "got it right", and finally Windows 7.
No, Vista is far superior to Win 7 because Vista is far more customizable to be just like XP GUI wise. XP Pro is the finest OS from Microsoft NOT Win 7 where even when using third party programs to correct the mess of the GUI in Win 7 it still is not nearly as good a GUI as XP and Vista. Uhhhh - right. At my last job I lost track how many times one of my bosses had to have Vista re-loaded. I knew the guy who had to reload the laptops and he got VERY tired of reloading Vista months after we started getting laptops with Vista.
Sorry - but Vista was crap (and well known crap) - my former boss found Win 7 to be light years better than Vista. In reality - all of the folks who had Vista in our office had large issues every year many times multiple times per year.
I had Win 7 running for 3 years without reloading with zero issues. Not sure why the GUI is not as good - I find the GUI and especially the Start button to be far superior in Win 7 than XP.
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Mele20Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:4 | reply to Xioden
I couldn't find any way to fix the so called "3D" look of rounded edges and fat raised looking windows. XP and Windows 8 are flat with square edges. I like sleek and flat not rounded and bloated. When I installed the Wiin 7 public beta on a virtual machine that rounded and raised looked was the first thing I noticed. The first thing I noticed on Win 8 was the square, flat look was back. So, it matters a lot to me. The very thing that many criticize about Win 8 is the very thing that appeals to me as it looks like XP NOT Win 7.
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 JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
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said by oldmike:Here I sit with a 2005 build XP desktop, a 2011 W7 laptop, and a 2012 W8 laptop.
I see very little difference at all between the three.
Your boot time on XP and 7 should be substantially slower. Your battery life on your win8 laptop (as measured in time per mAh of battery) should be substantially higher.
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said by dib22:I have no idea why people stick with XP... was amazing for it's time, it's just a security sitting duck these days.
I have an XP machine and a newer Windows7 machine.
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I stay with XP because:
1) It works fine and does what I need it to do.
2) I don't want to waste money on hardware upgrades that otherwise I would not need.
3) Using router with firewall, software firewall with additional defense monitoring, AV and various system hardening methods, I don't feel that my WinXP is a sitting duck.
3a) Seconfig XP is a very useful freeware to tighten a WinXP system. I have used it for years.
»seconfig.sytes.net/
4) If Microsoft wanted me to upgrade from WinXP to Win7, they should have provided me with a direct upgrade path. As it stands, I would have to spend days re-installing programs and data. |
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 Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
join:2004-07-08
united state | reply to Gem
Per Request, Here is how you "Disable" Windows Smartscreen on Windows 8 so every 3rd party exe program you run on your PC is not sent back to Microsoft. » www.howtogeek.com/75356/how-to-t···ndows-8/Smartscreen Filter "Will still be turned on" in Internet Explorer 10. This just diaables it when you double click an installer file, and Smartscreen wants to send info about the file you are running back to MS in other words, it returns the handling of files back to Windows 7/XP which just gives a dialog with the name of the file and thats all. |
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Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
join:2004-07-08
united state | reply to Mele20
I actually like Aero. I liked it when it was first released, and was bummed when they removed it. Windows looks flat and ugly...even the colors look ugly without the transparency and such of Aero.
I can understand though why some people may prefer that, especially if they don't have the dedicated GPU to really handle Aero (one with a 7.1 GPU rating for Aero or higher) or not using it on battery to conserve power.
on the Desktop, i love Aero....i actually use Flip 3d, Peek, etc to manage multiple windows...its a bummer they removed Flip3d from Win 8. |
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 sclementSClementPremium
join:2002-06-23
Spanish Fort, AL | reply to Gem
On the positive side, IMHO Win8 can give a few more years of usability for Vista users, particularly laptops. On the negative side, power management, which worked superbly in Win7, seems to be indiscriminately ineffective, i.e., it powers down the system one day and fails to do so the next.
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 pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium
join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | reply to koitsu
said by koitsu: I do not dare try Windows 8. The more I see , the less I'm inclined to try it. Hah yeah in my limited experience the only part that was truly offensive were the terrible native Metro apps. For me it was the garbage picture viewer. Ugly, confusing, and in the end less capable than the windows 7 or XP versions. Now as an 'advanced' user I would just install 3rd-party apps that I like better, but it's a shame the average user gets stuck with that touchscreen-pushing crap.
I think I could actually grow to like the start screen thing. On Windows 7 as I increasingly multi-task I'm finding the desktop icons increasingly annoying to use since it requires me to minimize everything I'm doing to use them. (Here's a question: can anyone tell me the purpose of the desktop peek on the side of the taskbar when all you can do is see all the icons you want to use, but not actually use them?) In theory once I got that start screen set up with all my common shortcuts, it would be easier and faster to use than desktop icons.
As far as windows 7 vs XP, there are only a few reasons why I like 7 more these days. The task bar is a bit better with the big icons, the live previews and right-click actions (like recent documents in word, tasks in outlook, most visited pages in browsers, etc.). In general windows 7 is prettier with the themes and transparencies. It's better than XP at finding what you want if you just hit start button and start typing. I think some of the Explorer features like being able to click on any level of the path to go there are new? (Took me a while to get used to this instead of the Up button which disappeared, but it is better as you get exactly where you want with one click.)
Still these are pretty minor I could go back to XP and not miss them too much. |
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join:2000-01-13
kudos:2 | I was making toolbars due to programs covering up desktop icons since 9x. |
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