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raphaeld
Premium
join:2011-03-20
Scarborough, ON

[Cable] Speeds From Europe Terrible at night

Anyone notice the speeds from Europe are just horrible at night? i decided to do a speedtest at around noon and a speedtest now at 9pm.

The below link is at i3d, a dutch gaming host company. and before you whine that I should be downloading from a closer source, that's not the point...
»mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0···-hybrid/

At around noon it almost maxes my 28mbit. Right now the test is going at 35KB/sec which is just sad. I'm in an apartment building and my neighbor who has rogers cable get's almost 3mb/sec doing this same test.

Will this ever be fixed? the speeds have gradually got worse and worse...

fyi, I'm on the McN poi


pldube

join:2011-06-11
canada

the speeds from Europe is bad for everyone (TSI, Rogers, Videotron ....)

The problem is the routing via the link btw NY and EU



FiberToTheX
Premium
join:2013-03-14
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It's going through Underwater/Submarine cables to reach the EU. Take a look at this video:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=gamX6XwlQyg


Even with Google Fiber it slows down by the time it reaches London. Skip to 3:15.

raphaeld
Premium
join:2011-03-20
Scarborough, ON
reply to raphaeld

2 things to counter those 2

it only happens at night here
its fine when testing with rogers or bell

it's also 3am in europe depending where you are so it's not their peak time



vitesse

join:2002-12-17
Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC
reply to raphaeld

Curently I max out my connection (64mbps) on cable.

I'm not with TSI, but another IISP and they use Peer1 at NY to connect to this website


technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2
reply to raphaeld

Click for full size
Its fine here on rogers 150/10.
I can keep adding more and it will max out at 18MB/s

raphaeld
Premium
join:2011-03-20
Scarborough, ON

yes exactly, my point

if i add 1 more it goes to 15/20 KB/sec. Speed returns to normal around 1am until 3-4pm EST. Pretty much when I sleep/work.


technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2
reply to raphaeld

Here my tracert from rogers.

Tracing route to mirror.i3d.net [213.163.76.200]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
  1    11 ms    11 ms    10 ms  7.2.120.1
  2    10 ms    19 ms    11 ms  24.156.151.97
  3    13 ms    15 ms    12 ms  69.63.249.185
  4    28 ms    25 ms    26 ms  24.156.147.250
  5    25 ms    26 ms    25 ms  xe-2-0-0.er1.lga5.us.above.net [64.124.128.193]
 
  6    25 ms    24 ms    45 ms  xe-5-1-0.cr1.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.30.205]
  7    25 ms    41 ms    26 ms  xe-1-0-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.29.46]
  8    25 ms    25 ms    25 ms  xe-0-0-1.er4.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.24.169]
  9    29 ms    27 ms    30 ms  L3-Zayo.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.13.30]
 10     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 14     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 15   111 ms   101 ms    99 ms  interactive.edge4.London1.Level3.net [212.113.8.
46]
 16   104 ms   102 ms   101 ms  40ge-1-1.br3.smartdc.i3d.net [188.122.95.85]
 17   102 ms   100 ms    99 ms  mirror.i3d.net [213.163.76.200]
 
Trace complete.
 

This is without VPN or anything like that, just direct from rogers.
Teksavvy has bad transit, that's all I can say.


jmck
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join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
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1 edit

it's likely a capacity issue with TSI's transit providers. being underwater or not makes no difference, and the distance simply increases latency.

i guess it could always be TSI having capacity issues on their network or with their providers too.



JCohen
Premium
join:2010-10-19
Nepean, ON
kudos:10
reply to technocar2

I used to have the same issues when I had a server in Europe so I switched to a server in the US.



jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
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reply to jmck

here are some results, it should be noted that the return path and the path being used to send the data from a download could be different:

my server in Montreal off OVH:
justin@kif:~$ traceroute mirror.i3d.net
traceroute to mirror.i3d.net (213.163.76.200), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  * * *
 2  bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.13)  0.547 ms * *
 3  * * *
 4  * * *
 5  ams-1-6k.nl.eu (213.251.128.6)  82.376 ms * *
 6  20ge.ams-ix.i3d.net (195.69.144.162)  82.357 ms  82.389 ms  83.046 ms
 7  30ge.cr1.smartdc.i3d.net (109.200.218.86)  83.622 ms  83.203 ms  83.097 ms
 8  30ge-1-2.br2.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.84)  95.006 ms 40ge-1-1.br3.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.85)  100.884 ms  87.543 ms
 9  mirror.i3d.net (213.163.76.200)  83.999 ms  84.008 ms  83.836 ms
 
justin@kif:~$ wget http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso
--2013-04-03 22:40:21--  http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso
Resolving mirror.i3d.net (mirror.i3d.net)... 2a00:1630:1:13d::13d, 213.163.76.200
Connecting to mirror.i3d.net (mirror.i3d.net)|2a00:1630:1:13d::13d|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 295698432 (282M) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: `debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso'
 
100%[==================================================================================   >] 295,698,432 8.66M/s   in 38s
 
2013-04-03 22:40:59 (7.34 MB/s) - `debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso' saved [295698432/295698432]
 

my server in NYC off HE.net:
justin@waffle:~$ traceroute mirror.i3d.net
traceroute to mirror.i3d.net (213.163.76.200), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  nyc.rt2.cyberwarp.net (209.51.166.121)  0.574 ms  0.624 ms  0.750 ms
 2  v103.core1.nyc1.he.net (216.66.30.217)  3.552 ms  3.606 ms  3.656 ms
 3  10gigabitethernet5-3.core1.nyc4.he.net (72.52.92.49)  10.069 ms  10.067 ms  10.056 ms
 4  10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.lon1.he.net (72.52.92.242)  75.688 ms  75.684 ms  75.813 ms
 5  10ge.linx.i3d.net (195.66.225.146)  76.491 ms  76.869 ms  76.468 ms
 6  40ge-1-2.br3.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.93)  76.819 ms 30ge-1-1.br2.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.92)  76.463 ms 40ge-1-2.br3.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.93)  78.798 ms
 7  mirror.i3d.net (213.163.76.200)  77.404 ms  77.400 ms  77.593 ms
 
justin@waffle:~$ wget http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso
--2013-04-03 22:42:57--  http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso
Resolving mirror.i3d.net... 213.163.76.200, 2a00:1630:1:13d::13d
Connecting to mirror.i3d.net|213.163.76.200|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 295698432 (282M) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: `debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso'
 
100%[==================================================================================   >] 295,698,432 9.67M/s   in 30s
 
2013-04-03 22:43:27 (9.38 MB/s) - `debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso' saved [295698432/295698432]
 
FINISHED --2013-04-03 22:43:27--
Downloaded: 1 files, 282M in 30s (9.38 MB/s)
 

from my home DSL with Start.ca: (messy traceroute thanks to Cogent)
traceroute mirror.i3d.net
traceroute to mirror.i3d.net (213.163.76.200), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  dd-wrt (192.168.1.1)  0.404 ms  0.165 ms  0.181 ms
 2  192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)  1.016 ms  0.677 ms  0.705 ms
 3  64.140.112.15 (64.140.112.15)  15.145 ms  15.186 ms  14.949 ms
 4  * * *
 5  204.101.4.193 (204.101.4.193)  92.884 ms  14.719 ms  14.538 ms
 6  bx6-chicago23_pos0-3-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.186.202)  35.915 ms
    bx6-chicago23_pos0-2-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.186.198)  33.872 ms  32.415 ms
 7  te4-1.ccr01.ord09.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.29)  105.041 ms * *
 8  te3-5.mag02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.29.193)  33.318 ms
    te3-5.mag01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.29.189)  32.873 ms
    te3-5.mag02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.29.193)  32.838 ms
 9  te0-5-0-3.ccr21.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.45.193)  33.236 ms  32.650 ms
    te0-5-0-7.mpd22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.81.229)  33.050 ms
10  te0-2-0-5.ccr21.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.43.198)  45.308 ms
    te0-3-0-3.mpd21.yyz02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.42.10)  32.811 ms
    te0-7-0-13.ccr21.yyz02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.2)  32.980 ms
11  te0-4-0-5.ccr21.ymq02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.43.218)  41.544 ms
    te0-3-0-3.ccr22.ymq02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.25.30)  40.343 ms
    te0-4-0-3.ccr22.lpl01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.44.190)  109.763 ms
12  te0-3-0-6.ccr21.lpl01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.142)  110.764 ms
    te0-6-0-4.mpd21.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.49)  118.333 ms
    te0-5-0-4.ccr21.lpl01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.87.61)  110.744 ms
13  te0-6-0-2.mpd22.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.49.66)  120.320 ms
    te2-1.ccr01.rtm01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.48.234)  121.092 ms
    te4-2.ccr01.rtm01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.63.122)  120.513 ms
14  te4-2.ccr01.rtm01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.63.122)  122.264 ms
    te2-1.ccr01.rtm03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.62.130)  119.910 ms
    te3-8.ccr01.rtm01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.63.114)  122.825 ms
15  149.14.14.10 (149.14.14.10)  118.114 ms
    te2-1.ccr01.rtm03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.62.130)  121.805 ms
    te2-2.ccr01.rtm03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.62.134)  122.559 ms
16  30ge-1-2.br2.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.84)  126.986 ms
    149.14.14.18 (149.14.14.18)  120.817 ms
    149.6.110.2 (149.6.110.2)  120.687 ms
17  40ge-1-2.br3.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.93)  126.378 ms
    mirror.i3d.net (213.163.76.200)  119.742 ms
    40ge-1-1.br3.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.85)  120.467 ms
 
wget http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso
--2013-04-03 22:45:06--  http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso
Resolving mirror.i3d.net... 213.163.76.200, 2a00:1630:1:13d::13d
Connecting to mirror.i3d.net|213.163.76.200|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 295698432 (282M) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: ‘debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso’
 
100%[==================================================================================   >] 295,698,432 2.45MB/s   in 2m 16s
 
2013-04-03 22:47:22 (2.08 MB/s) - ‘debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso’ saved [295698432/295698432]
 
FINISHED --2013-04-03 22:47:22--
Total wall clock time: 2m 16s
Downloaded: 1 files, 282M in 2m 16s (2.08 MB/s)
 

raphaeld
Premium
join:2011-03-20
Scarborough, ON
reply to jmck

yes shaded, thank you for understanding what I was trying to say. I was hoping there would be some way TSI would improve this. Using TSI to stream european language tv shows is almost mpossible.



jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
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said by raphaeld:

yes shaded, thank you for understanding what I was trying to say. I was hoping there would be some way TSI would improve this. Using TSI to stream european language tv shows is almost mpossible.

when I was with TSI i had a lot of issues with watching streams even from the US with twitch.tv.

technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2
reply to raphaeld

Yeah, there are no excuses for having crappy transit, funny there are no comments from Teksavvy or Teksavvy fanboys...lol

If this was on rogers you'd see a fury of people dissing rogers like there is no tomorrow on the rogers forum.
Goes to show Teksavvy still has a good reputation as an ISP but it can only get bad if issues like this continue.



jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON

there was a twitch thread going for months, pretty sure nothing ended up happening which is why i left.


raphaeld
Premium
join:2011-03-20
Scarborough, ON

I will be making an exit shortly also. I only use 50gigs a month at most and I pay for unlimited based on principal for a few years now. It's just a waste of money now and pretty frustrating and silly to use my neighbors wifi (who uses a competitor) to actually download something faster.



ryangard

join:2006-02-21
reply to raphaeld

28/1 Cable Connection

Here's a traceroute of the server:

|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                             192.168.1.1 -    9 |  189 |  172 |    0 |    0 |    2 |    1 |
|                            10.124.6.129 -    0 |  341 |  341 |    7 |    9 |   82 |    9 |
|                           67.231.222.25 -    0 |  341 |  341 |    9 |   14 |   86 |   13 |
|         fallowfield2.cable.teksavvy.com -    0 |  341 |  341 |    7 |   11 |  105 |    9 |
|         fallowfield1.cable.teksavvy.com -    0 |  341 |  341 |   13 |   17 |  104 |   14 |
|  10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.tor1.he.net -    0 |  341 |  341 |   13 |   18 |   89 |   24 |
| 10gigabitethernet10-7.core1.nyc4.he.net -    0 |  341 |  341 |   22 |   28 |   95 |   24 |
|  10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.lon1.he.net -    0 |  341 |  341 |   91 |   97 |  172 |   94 |
|                       10ge.linx.i3d.net -    0 |  341 |  341 |   98 |  104 |  173 |   99 |
|            40ge-1-2.br3.smartdc.i3d.net -    0 |  341 |  341 |   99 |  105 |  163 |  100 |
|                          mirror.i3d.net -    0 |  341 |  341 |   99 |  103 |  177 |  104 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
 

And wget results.
H:\>wget http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-l
ive-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso
--03:23:16--  http://mirror.i3d.net/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7-live/i386/iso-hybrid/deb
ian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso
           => `debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso'
Resolving mirror.i3d.net... 213.163.76.200
Connecting to mirror.i3d.net[213.163.76.200]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 295,698,432 [application/octet-stream]
 
100%[====================================>] 295,698,432    1.39M/s    ETA 00:00
 
03:26:44 (1.36 MB/s) - `debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso' saved [295698432/29
5698432]
 


jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON

3:30am is kind of late, see if you can run that at ~9-10PM.


raphaeld
Premium
join:2011-03-20
Scarborough, ON

yes, please try from: 5pm - 11pm


Webslingerac

join:2004-05-01
canada

3 edits
reply to raphaeld

said by raphaeld:

fyi, I'm on the McN poi

Well, 'nuff said, really, no? It was horrible on McNicoll before migration. Any better now?

quote:
yes, please try from: 5pm - 11pm
Okay. I can hit 5.3 MB/s after migration from the former McNicoll POI right now, provided I'm downloading enough files. But the best I can get is 2.2MB/s on a single file.

Seems fine to me. But really, I should be testing around 9:30 p.m.

technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2

said by Webslingerac:

Seems fine to me. But really, I should be testing around 9:30 p.m.

OP said its nightly slowdowns; so you have to test during that time.

Webslingerac

join:2004-05-01
canada

said by technocar2:

said by Webslingerac:

Seems fine to me. But really, I should be testing around 9:30 p.m.

OP said its nightly slowdowns; so you have to test during that time.

Yeah, I'll be trying again around 9:30 p.m., which was when McNicoll used to suck horribly every single night since February.

Webslingerac

join:2004-05-01
canada

3 edits




Around 9:50 p.m.

I also tested around 8:30 p.m. Similar results

Seems fine to me.

I had an open ticket from February until the migration in April on the McNicoll POI for horribly sucky congestion from approximately 9:30 p.m. until 11 p.m. EST (sometimes started much earlier though).

After migration to aggregated, I'm not noticing much of anything that's bugging me.

The original problem has to be POI congestion. raphaeld was on McNicoll too.

It will be interesting to see what happens after every POI migrates. I certainly hope congestion does not return.


jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON

and a single transfer at a time?


Webslingerac

join:2004-05-01
canada

2 edits

said by jmck:

and a single transfer at a time?

Well, a single transfer can't max your connection. Basically 2.2 MB/s. With about 5 threads on the same file, I get anywhere from 2.7 to 3 MB/s.

It's a server limit.


jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON

it's not a server limit, i linked earlier in the thread a single download coming down at 95Mbit/sec. multiple connections at once is a good way to get through congestion.


Webslingerac

join:2004-05-01
canada

said by jmck:

it's not a server limit

Missed that

Wow.


jmck
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Ottawa, ON
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reply to jmck

my results from two servers and my home connection on another ISP tonight (note the the results are in megabytes/sec and not megabits/sec).

2013-04-22 00:28:54 (8.98 MB/s) - `debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso' saved [295698432/295698432]

2013-04-22 00:30:24 (4.16 MB/s) - `debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso' saved [295698432/295698432]

2013-04-22 00:32:14 (2.96 MB/s) - ‘debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso’ saved [295698432/295698432]

what's interesting is my second server did the transfer over ipv6 since mirror.i3d.net does ipv6 too apparently.



jmck
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reply to Webslingerac

said by Webslingerac:

Missed that

Wow.

well regardless, it seems to be quite a bit faster than previously mentioned (1-3Mbit/sec)?

Webslingerac

join:2004-05-01
canada

4 edits

said by jmck:

well regardless, it seems to be quite a bit faster than previously mentioned (1-3Mbit/sec)?

I'm getting 2.3 MB/s right now with a single connection to a single file. And the OP was on the same POI that I was on, so chances are the situation has improved for the OP since the migration.

But I wouldn't expect to experience congestion at this time of night, locally, anyway.

Nexicom at 12:41 a.m. (on 45/4):


Local Toronto Speedtest results are usually poorest between 9:30 p.m. and 11 p.m. for me. I often get better results from St. Catharines and Oakville speedtest servers during those times.

traceroute to mirror.i3d.net (213.163.76.200), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 10.124.158.129 (10.124.158.129) 9.560 ms 9.599 ms 10.585 ms
2 24.156.135.73 (24.156.135.73) 19.307 ms 111.546 ms 17.473 ms
3 69.63.248.201 (69.63.248.201) 18.230 ms 19.573 ms 22.893 ms
4 69.196.136.36 (69.196.136.36) 16.499 ms 18.198 ms 2120.ae1.bdr04.tor.packetflow.ca (69.196.136.68) 13.641 ms
5 10gigabitethernet1-2.core2.tor1.he.net (209.51.191.173) 20.014 ms 17.912 ms 13.238 ms
6 10gigabitethernet10-3.core1.nyc4.he.net (184.105.223.173) 23.675 ms 31.944 ms 26.025 ms
7 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.lon1.he.net (72.52.92.242) 94.662 ms 101.177 ms 102.338 ms
8 10ge.linx.i3d.net (195.66.225.146) 102.334 ms 109.218 ms 101.820 ms
9 30ge-1-1.br2.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.92) 449.932 ms 40ge-1-2.br3.smartdc.i3d.net (188.122.95.93) 112.676 ms 115.233 ms
10 mirror.i3d.net (213.163.76.200) 99.933 ms 98.967 ms 99.928 ms