 IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
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| Locksmith demolished lock Long story short, we got a new neighbor in the duplex (much better than the previous tenants) and she got locked out. I heard a pounding downstairs so I yelled through the door and verified it was my neighbor and she got locked out and the landlord was unable to come so she hired a locksmith to let her in. The locksmith demolished the lock because I think they are pick proof.
They are the Kwickset SmartKey locks. I am wondering if it is necessary to demolish these locks to get in without a key. Now the neighbor is out $140 plus the cost of a new lock.
Nothing worse than home repair after hours.
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said by IowaCowboy:They are the Kwickset SmartKey locks. I am wondering if it is necessary to demolish these locks to get in without a key. Now the neighbor is out $140 plus the cost of a new lock.
One of the weakest locksets out there... check this video out:
»www.wired.com/video/lockpicking-···60734001 |
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I found instructions on picking it with no trouble at all with a quick search.
It's in the interest of the locksmith to destroy a lock rather than picking it though. It's usually much quicker and easier to destroy them than to pick them, and then he gets to sell you a new lock + installation. |
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said by dib22:said by IowaCowboy:They are the Kwickset SmartKey locks. I am wondering if it is necessary to demolish these locks to get in without a key. Now the neighbor is out $140 plus the cost of a new lock.
One of the weakest locksets out there... check this video out: » www.wired.com/video/lockpicking-···60734001 Any lock can be defeated pretty easily. They train EMT's, firefighters, etc.how to get into any place FAST. It doesn't matter if it's a commercial door/lock or a cheap residential door/lock. The best money can buy is still weak. They are meant to keep the honest man honest and nothing more. In my younger days I was pretty proficient at defeating locks.  |
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said by Raphion:I found instructions on picking it with no trouble at all with a quick search.
It's in the interest of the locksmith to destroy a lock rather than picking it though. It's usually much quicker and easier to destroy them than to pick them, and then he gets to sell you a new lock + installation.
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Interesting. I thought the title "locksmith" implied some sort of professional skill. If destroying the lock is all that was done when there appears to the ability to defeat the lock based on what others have posted, then that makes us all locksmiths, eh?
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| said by sempergoofy:Interesting. I thought the title "locksmith" implied some sort of professional skill. If destroying the lock is all that was done when there appears to the ability to defeat the lock based on what others have posted, then that makes us all locksmiths, eh?
Destroying a $45 lock while getting inside without hurting the door takes some skill. Maybe only the cylinder was destroyed anyway.
I wonder if the Kwikset SmartKey scandal has been dealt with. I am shocked that there was not withdrawal of ANSI 1 certification. |
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North Reading, MA | said by StillLearn:I wonder if the Kwikset SmartKey scandal has been dealt with. I am shocked that there was not withdrawal of ANSI 1 certification. I can't find anything about that online. Any references to it? I have a few of those locks and I'd love to read about this 'scandal'.
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said by Raphion:It's in the interest of the locksmith to destroy a lock rather than picking it though. It's usually much quicker and easier to destroy them than to pick them, and then he gets to sell you a new lock + installation.
Responses like this just reek with nonsense. |
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said by 35245635: I have a few of those locks and I'd love to read about this 'scandal'.
I too have a few of those locks on different houses and now I learn about a "scandal" with them.
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North Reading, MA | said by Coma:said by 35245635: I have a few of those locks and I'd love to read about this 'scandal'.
I too have a few of those locks on different houses and now I learn about a "scandal" with them. I can't find anything with a 'scandal' just that they take 10-15 seconds to break into vs. 40-60 seconds with other locks. Anyone who wants in can do so in under 60 seconds with any lock. I don't see any real reason to stop using Smartkey locks.
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said by 35245635:I can't find anything with a 'scandal' just that they take 10-15 seconds to break into vs. 40-60 seconds with other locks.
I can't take issue with that.
said by 35245635: Anyone who wants in can do so in under 60 seconds with any lock. I take issue with that. I expect very few going to pick a modern Medico in 60 seconds. I doubt that most lock pickers could pick a modern bump-resistant ANSI 1 Schlage in 60 seconds.
Of course if you are referring to breaking down the door, that is different. But to gain entrance through a lock quietly is is the issue as I see it -- especially if you can't necessarily tell by looking that the lock had been breached.
ANSI should down-certify the locks so that people are not misled. Kwikset should release cylinders with stronger materials for retrofit.
Incidentally, you and I are part of the "anyone" class.
said by 35245635:I don't see any real reason to stop using Smartkey locks.
I can't take issue with that. |
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said by Critsmcgee:Any lock can be defeated pretty easily. They train EMT's, firefighters, etc.how to get into any place FAST. It doesn't matter if it's a commercial door/lock or a cheap residential door/lock. The best money can buy is still weak. They are meant to keep the honest man honest and nothing more. In my younger days I was pretty proficient at defeating locks.
So what is the definition of "defeat"? Gas saw? |
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My brother did locksmithing for years as his own business. Picking locks isn't as easy as all the posters here like to think regardless of how many youtube how to videos they've watched. How many locks have you people picked? My guess is zero.
If he couldn't get in after a while he'd ask them if he could drill it. He would replace the cylinder though. If they destroy the lock getting it open, the right thing to do is to replace it. If they replaced it and charged them a bunch to do so, they're not reputable. |
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North Reading, MA | reply to patcat88
said by patcat88:said by Critsmcgee:Any lock can be defeated pretty easily. They train EMT's, firefighters, etc.how to get into any place FAST. It doesn't matter if it's a commercial door/lock or a cheap residential door/lock. The best money can buy is still weak. They are meant to keep the honest man honest and nothing more. In my younger days I was pretty proficient at defeating locks.
So what is the definition of "defeat"? Gas saw? They have forcible-entry training. Most of the time they can get in with common tools any normal person could get. Nothing special required.
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North Reading, MA | reply to Jon
said by Jon:My brother did locksmithing for years as his own business. Picking locks isn't as easy as all the posters here like to think regardless of how many youtube how to videos they've watched. How many locks have you people picked? My guess is zero. Took a few training classes locally offered by a locksmith years ago. That locksmith could get into any door lock in under 60 seconds. It takes practice but it's not hard. Making a loaf of bread from scratch isn't really hard either but most people can't do it right. Like most things in life knowledge is power.
People just need to realize a lock isn't anything more then a delay. The better the lock the longer the delay. In the end all locks fail.
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