 LazManPremium
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Re: Locksmith demolished lock I am trained in forciable entry... There are few doors out there I can't get through; but our techniques are fast, not subtle.
We don't pick locks, we knock or pull them out.
Halligan bars, k-tools, rabbit tools and sledge hammers are the tools of the trade. When I'm done, you usually need to replace a lot more then the lock cylinder. |
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 JonPremium
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said by 35245635:Took a few training classes locally offered by a locksmith years ago. That locksmith could get into any door lock in under 60 seconds.
The locks he brought to demonstrate on, right? Yeah I'm sure he could. Sorry, I don't buy it. My brother did it for years. It's not like you see on TV.
said by LazMan:I am trained in forciable entry...
Pulling the front of a house off with a hook attached to an APC doesn't count.  |
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Based on your avatar, I'm thinking you are a firefighter.
I am thinking of installing a Knox Box on my grandma's house as she is always getting picked up by the ambulance. Fortunately they have not had to kick in her door but I'm guessing the cost of a Knox box will be cheaper than replacing a door, especially since we are getting her a life alert button. |
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LazManPremium
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canada | You'd have to speak to someone at your EMT station or fire hall to find out if they are able to use a lock box for access.
We do - we have a high security lock system that the property owner installs in a discrete spot, and places a door key in... We then can use our key to access that lock box when needed...
Around here, the EMT's don't do forced entry - if the doors not open when they arrive, either the police or fire make access for them... |
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 dennismurphyPut me on hold? I'll put YOU on holdPremium
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said by StillLearn:said by 35245635:I can't find anything with a 'scandal' just that they take 10-15 seconds to break into vs. 40-60 seconds with other locks.
I can't take issue with that. said by 35245635: Anyone who wants in can do so in under 60 seconds with any lock. I take issue with that. I expect very few going to pick a modern Medico in 60 seconds. I doubt that most lock pickers could pick a modern bump-resistant ANSI 1 Schlage in 60 seconds. Of course if you are referring to breaking down the door, that is different. But to gain entrance through a lock quietly is is the issue as I see it -- especially if you can't necessarily tell by looking that the lock had been breached. ANSI should down-certify the locks so that people are not misled. Kwikset should release cylinders with stronger materials for retrofit. Incidentally, you and I are part of the "anyone" class. said by 35245635:I don't see any real reason to stop using Smartkey locks.
I can't take issue with that. Since you've obviously got some experience with locks .... your thoughts on Mul-T-Lock cylinders? |
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said by LazMan:We do - we have a high security lock system that the property owner installs in a discrete spot, and places a door key in... We then can use our key to access that lock box when needed... That’s a Knox box or an equivalent thereof, the municipality has a common key assigned to the boxes, which allows authorized key holders access to the Knox Box, which within “should” be a key or keys to allow non-destructive access to the premises as needed.
The alternative is a Simplex lock box, which is what I use, this is a basic mechanical push button 4 digit lockbox, which should an incident at my business be dispatched out, provides the responder with an access code of the box and therefore the keys to the castle. |
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LazManPremium
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canada | It's an Abloy based system we use, but yes, very similar to the Knox or Chubb boxes... |
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 camaro92Question everythingPremium
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Reading and doing are 2 different things, I do lock picking for a hobby and it ain't easy, trust me.
Besides these two devices are much quicker, one with more finesse and one with brute force |
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said by dennismurphy:Since you've obviously got some experience with locks .... your thoughts on Mul-T-Lock cylinders?
They have tools for those as well. As I said anything can be picked it's just a matter of time and skill. The door jam is the weakest point of a door as well so even if you had a 100% pick proof door they'd just kick it in.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFx1Zo3uXAw
»www.metacafe.com/watch/843511/ho···n_1_min/
Edit: Here's one where you just tap a Mul-T-Lock key that doesn't work while in the lock until it opens. You can defeat it in around 60 seconds.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT5QMzF60EE&
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbrryPPFCLM
Make note how there are ways to 'pick' a lock and ways to 'defeat' a lock. Almost any lock can be 'defeated' in around a minute. The video's show about 2 minutes to 'pick' and around 70 seconds in one video and 20 seconds in the other to 'defeat' a Mul-T-Lock. A professional looking to get into your place would be doing it much faster. They don't care about going slow to show people how it's done in a video.
Given the 2 methods above which do you think a professional would do?
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Re: Locksmith demolished lock said by 35245635:said by Coma:said by 35245635: I have a few of those locks and I'd love to read about this 'scandal'.
I too have a few of those locks on different houses and now I learn about a "scandal" with them.  I can't find anything with a 'scandal' just that they take 10-15 seconds to break into vs. 40-60 seconds with other locks. Anyone who wants in can do so in under 60 seconds with any lock. I don't see any real reason to stop using Smartkey locks. Agreed. Thieves around these parts aren't lock picks. It is much easier to verify no one is home and then break a window or knock the back door in.
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