| fiber is costly to install and digging is not easy fiber is costly to install and digging is not easy |
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| when you factor in that it won't have to be replaced for 50 years there is savings |
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| Spoken like a true sales monkey. I hear this pitch all the time. If you just spend X on my product today it will save you in the long run. That's the new sales pitch when they find out X is 10 times your budget and they are trying to save the sale.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company. |
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| exactly, so saving 20% on opex, how long does it take to pay off the capex? Especially is what people claim is true and the cost of fiber is falling at an exponential rate... If I can wait a year and get it for less money, does that make the most sense.....
fixing my old car is a lot less expensive than buying a new one! |
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| "Especially is what people claim is true and the cost of fiber is falling at an exponential rate"
There are a lot of us out there that would love to find where the cost of deploying fiber is falling a an "exponential rate" because we would love to jump on this bandwagon.
It still costs $2-5 per foot to deploy and I've not seen a drastic drop in pricing.
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 elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to prairiesky
thats only true if you fix it once
when your old car(copper) is breaking down every week you might as well get a new one(fiber)
repairing copper at this point is just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic better to rip it all out and replace with fiber like the rest of the developed world |
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| said by elios:thats only true if you fix it once
when your old car(copper) is breaking down every week you might as well get a new one(fiber)
until there are real numbers involved, this statement is just hearsay and an assumption.
hence my statement of; how many years does it take of saved opex to pay off the capex..... if it's 100, then no, it certainly isn't cheaper to buy new, if it's 1, then sure it makes sense. Where in between fiber falls, it isn't clear. |
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said by battleop:"Especially is what people claim is true and the cost of fiber is falling at an exponential rate"
There are a lot of us out there that would love to find where the cost of deploying fiber is falling a an "exponential rate" because we would love to jump on this bandwagon.
It still costs $2-5 per foot to deploy and I've not seen a drastic drop in pricing.
as a fixed cost it hasn't dropped huge amounts, someone mentioned Fios started at 4000/home passed and we're now down to under $1000 in the last decade. That being said, on a price per mbit, it's dropped a lot.... not that that means all that much, but it is another metric to examine |
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said by prairiesky:hence my statement of; how many years does it take of saved opex to pay off the capex..... if it's 100, then no, it certainly isn't cheaper to buy new, if it's 1, then sure it makes sense. Where in between fiber falls, it isn't clear.
And that's assuming you can actually achieve savings in opex.
If everyone is on overtime, then yes, they can just stop paying overtime. But if not, then can they furlough people or put them on reduced hours? Or do they have a fixed personnel expense that is unrelated to how much maintenance needs to be done?
The wireline sides of AT&T and Verizon are unionized. How are the contracts written? |
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