I have a few of those locks and I'd love to read about this 'scandal'.
I too have a few of those locks on different houses and now I learn about a "scandal" with them.
I can't find anything with a 'scandal' just that they take 10-15 seconds to break into vs. 40-60 seconds with other locks. Anyone who wants in can do so in under 60 seconds with any lock. I don't see any real reason to stop using Smartkey locks.
Anyone who wants in can do so in under 60 seconds with any lock.
I take issue with that. I expect very few going to pick a modern Medico in 60 seconds. I doubt that most lock pickers could pick a modern bump-resistant ANSI 1 Schlage in 60 seconds.
Of course if you are referring to breaking down the door, that is different. But to gain entrance through a lock quietly is is the issue as I see it -- especially if you can't necessarily tell by looking that the lock had been breached.
ANSI should down-certify the locks so that people are not misled. Kwikset should release cylinders with stronger materials for retrofit.
Incidentally, you and I are part of the "anyone" class.
Anyone who wants in can do so in under 60 seconds with any lock.
I take issue with that. I expect very few going to pick a modern Medico in 60 seconds. I doubt that most lock pickers could pick a modern bump-resistant ANSI 1 Schlage in 60 seconds.
Of course if you are referring to breaking down the door, that is different. But to gain entrance through a lock quietly is is the issue as I see it -- especially if you can't necessarily tell by looking that the lock had been breached.
ANSI should down-certify the locks so that people are not misled. Kwikset should release cylinders with stronger materials for retrofit.
Incidentally, you and I are part of the "anyone" class.
Since you've obviously got some experience with locks .... your thoughts on Mul-T-Lock cylinders?
They have tools for those as well. As I said anything can be picked it's just a matter of time and skill. The door jam is the weakest point of a door as well so even if you had a 100% pick proof door they'd just kick it in.
Make note how there are ways to 'pick' a lock and ways to 'defeat' a lock. Almost any lock can be 'defeated' in around a minute. The video's show about 2 minutes to 'pick' and around 70 seconds in one video and 20 seconds in the other to 'defeat' a Mul-T-Lock. A professional looking to get into your place would be doing it much faster. They don't care about going slow to show people how it's done in a video.
Given the 2 methods above which do you think a professional would do?
I have a few of those locks and I'd love to read about this 'scandal'.
I too have a few of those locks on different houses and now I learn about a "scandal" with them.
I can't find anything with a 'scandal' just that they take 10-15 seconds to break into vs. 40-60 seconds with other locks. Anyone who wants in can do so in under 60 seconds with any lock. I don't see any real reason to stop using Smartkey locks.
Agreed. Thieves around these parts aren't lock picks. It is much easier to verify no one is home and then break a window or knock the back door in.
Since you've obviously got some experience with locks .... your thoughts on Mul-T-Lock cylinders?
They have tools for those as well. As I said anything can be picked it's just a matter of time and skill. The door jam is the weakest point of a door as well so even if you had a 100% pick proof door they'd just kick it in.
(youtube clip) Here's one where you just tap a Mul-T-Lock key that doesn't work while in the lock until it opens. You can defeat it in around 60 seconds.
(youtube clip) note how there are ways to 'pick' a lock and ways to 'defeat' a lock. Almost any lock can be 'defeated' in around a minute. The video's show about 2 minutes to 'pick' and around 70 seconds in one video and 20 seconds in the other to 'defeat' a Mul-T-Lock. A professional looking to get into your place would be doing it much faster. They don't care about going slow to show people how it's done in a video.
Given the 2 methods above which do you think a professional would do?
I want to see someone try to pick a magnetic lock.
I want to see someone try to pick a magnetic lock.
Use size 10-12 boot once or twice. End of story!
Also only works with wood doors, not steel.
Residential steel doors can be kicked in also. The steel skin is thin, (done it a few times, the steel will bend eventually) but it takes more kicks and allot of a$$ behind the kick. Commercial steel doors are another story.
Properly installed and engaged, you're breaking the door, not separating the mag lock...
Depending on how the mag lock is installed you can pull them open. Commercial installs on aluminum or thin wall steel frames are not all that secure. If you pull hard and fast the frames with slightly twist and it will disengage the mag lock.
Properly installed and engaged, you're breaking the door, not separating the mag lock...
Depending on how the mag lock is installed you can pull them open. Commercial installs on aluminum or thin wall steel frames are not all that secure. If you pull hard and fast the frames with slightly twist and it will disengage the mag lock.
I believe that there should be a floating plate that the mag lock holds to, the float prevents it from disengaging if the door or frame flexes.
That said, any mag lock can be forced, if you have enough force to overcome it, although a commercial mag lock could be 1200+ pounds.
Quite true, if a Magnalock aka maglock, is installed properly the strike plate to be secured to the door but is floated from it, this float allows the strike plate to fully engage the Magnalock requiring on the lowest version a 600 pound pull to separate the strike plate from the Magnalock.
Now the strike plate can be sheared from the Magnalock, but by then the door and or frame is pooched.
Quite true, if a Magnalock aka maglock, is installed properly the strike plate to be secured to the door but is floated from it, this float allows the strike plate to fully engage the Magnalock requiring on the lowest version a 600 pound pull to separate the strike plate from the Magnalock.
At which point it's probably easier to just go through a wall.