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CXM_Splicer
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1 Gbps overkill?

Just out of curiosity, how fast would a network connection need to be to replace your hard disk? Certainly a cloud based OS should be possible... suppose Bill wanted to make Windows 9 a virtual OS that was downloaded (complete with last night's updates and bug fixes) every time I turned on my computer. With an even faster connection, they could even just 'run' the OS without a hard disk at all... even my machines virtual memory would be in the cloud (boy the NSA would LOVE that!) Can I do that on my 50/25 FIOS connection?

People who say there is no use for a fast Internet connection are missing the point... there are very few current uses developed because no one has a connection to support them. Did Netflix (or anyone) stream video in the days of AOL dial-up? Since dial-up was fast enough to check email and browse text based pages... why bother upgrading anything?
ericthered26

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Re: 1 Gbps overkill?

Exactly, it's absolutely ignorant to say we don't "need" 1gb connections. And all the silly reasons why make these types even more ignorant.

There will be nothing that can utilize 1gbps until that's an actual reality. Just because you can't see past your own front porch doesn't mean there is nothing else out there.

Once there is widely available speedy connections, all sorts of new and exciting/cool stuff will show up to take advantage of it.
silbaco

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Slow speeds of dialup never stopped innovation. Companies blew right past it. And if they need to, they will do so again.

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Re: 1 Gbps overkill?

said by silbaco:

Slow speeds of dialup never stopped innovation. Companies blew right past it. And if they need to, they will do so again.

No, dialup didn't "stop" innovation, it slowed innovation.

Companies "blew" right past it by getting broadband.

4G LTE is faster than many user's home network.

Anyone arguing against network advancement is a fool.
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are you talking about PXE boot from internet connection?

If you mean by that remote desktop, we already have that capability with Citrix. You can even run desktop applications directly without having to run entire desktop. But so far its only used in business, there are some exceptions like MS office apps running on cloud from SkyDrive. You can also buy a VM share from number of companies although rental price can jump well easily over $100 if you upgrade VM specs to include more storage and memory, even more so if you want this on dedicated host.

I don't think Bill Gates would offer PXE boot os over interent OS, it certainly would require data center and it certainly wouldn't be free and it would cost monthly subscription. I doubt most people would go with that on top of already paying monthly subscription for internet and other utilities. Btw Bill retired, he is now chairman of Melissa and Gates Foundation, someone else now runs Microsoft
CXM_Splicer
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Re: 1 Gbps overkill?

No remote desktop is a completely different animal where only keystrokes, mouse, mic, etc. input is communicated over the network to a virtual desktop running on a server (but I suspect you know that already). I would be talking about PXE Windows to start and then, when connections are even faster, eliminate the hard disk completely and use a 'cloud os' totally over the network. If you could have a network connection that is faster than your SATA cable why wouldn't you try this?

I think you are right that there would be a monthly subscription but most things are moving in that direction. There is already a large software base that has migrated to subscription web applications... Anti-virus updates are now by subscription... I think Microsoft would LOVE this as a revenue stream. As for people 'going for it', this is the era of getting what a company decides you should have. If Microsoft decides this is the direction they want to go there will be no other choice (except maybe Linux).
chgo_man99

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Re: 1 Gbps overkill?

I dunno, have you looked at Adobe? I think with their pricing, if you only require let say one product like photoshop, its cheaper to buy a single software license than subscribe to their yearly Cloud subscription that has multiple apps.

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said by CXM_Splicer:

If you could have a network connection that is faster than your SATA cable why wouldn't you try this?

Because even fast internet is subject to network outtages.

Unless your ISP can guarantee you 100% up time 24/7.
chgo_man99

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Re: 1 Gbps overkill?

for that reason, I'd prefer they still keep local storagas and let cache to be stored in case of outages.
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said by Snuffbox:

said by CXM_Splicer:

If you could have a network connection that is faster than your SATA cable why wouldn't you try this?

Because even fast internet is subject to network outtages.

Unless your ISP can guarantee you 100% up time 24/7.

There are many times I turn on my computer and it is completely useless to me if I have a local Internet outage so having the OS load is of no great help. Overall though I would agree that it would not be the best system and I wouldn't want it myself. I am only using it as an example of potential applications for faster connections that aren't thought of simply because the speeds aren't available.

To hold a position that projects like this (alright maybe not this project because it is stupid) should be undertaken now and let the broadband speeds catch up later is ridiculous. There are applications for faster speeds now... distributed computing projects, better video (how many 1080p channels can you stream over a 50 meg connection?), not to mention the stuff that hasn't even been thought of yet. Are they for the 'average' user? No but how can they be if people don't have fast enough connections for them?
Kamus

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said by CXM_Splicer:

Just out of curiosity, how fast would a network connection need to be to replace your hard disk? Certainly a cloud based OS should be possible...

It's very simple:
People that think 1 gigabit is "overkill" have a complete lack of imagination. It's a good thing for us that technology advancements still come regardless of what those people think.
If it wasn't that way we'd still be using USB 2.0 since it's "good enough" for most people and most devices... Right?
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+1 Great explanation. Thanks.

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