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Pricing and speeds

Thanks for the info that's interesting. Here is what I don't get Verizon spent the right money for fios and it's paying off. AT&T completely did a crap job and went with Fttc don't get me wrong I love my uverse but I worked for them and know what customers deal with why the hell can't they invest the money to do it right if they want to be ahead same as Verizon now stopping their expansion it's just stupid if u ask me.

U-verse can suck it. I've got U-verse in a new neighborhood with FTTP, and the fastest AT&T can offer me is 18/1.5. I have to believe it's all marketing so they can tell everyone that U-verse is a fiber connection, not a mixture of FTTP and fancy DSL.
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Ali
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reply to nitros22
Quick and short answer: There is no true competition in broadband.

You either have Cable which provides much better speeds or you have xDSL which provides much less speed in a vast majority of the country.

Wireless doesnt count, sorry you wisp shills, it just sucks and is hampered by bad caps and price.

reply to i2Fuzzy
It is probably not the fastest they can offer you, it is the fastest they will offer you.

reply to nitros22
Because VZ and AT&T are walking away from DSL so that they can get FIOS down people's throat for an arm and a leg. It is all a monopoly game and they have good lobbyists to take care of their business everywhere.

reply to i2Fuzzy
Yeah when I was working there I couldn't believe the Fttp customers got shafted in speed that just sucks I was pissed for our customers

reply to i2Fuzzy
A lot of fttp customers can now get 24/3 supposedly.

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reply to Skippy25

Not really - if the cable deploys suck then DSL would be the real option and only option. TW around me sucks and I cvan't get U-Verse even though it is 500 ft from my house. In a free market there would be more than one cable company and more than one DSL company - I don't mean more than one reselling the same DSL.

Problem is the barriers to entry is high - money wise and thanks to large companies and their PACs - legislative barriers.
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain

Well, there isn't here; and here has three viable choices (four if you live in either of the local fiber provider markets).
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Norman
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And that would be unusual though I have yet to figure out what 3 would be. Most places have ONE cable provider, a dsl provider with resellers and that is it...
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain

It may be unusual, but we have:

• Comcast (cable).
• AT&T (DSL).
• Sonic.net ("Fusion" (ADSL2+) and fiber; beyond their resold AT&T.)
• Paxio (fiber).
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

So Sonic has their own DSL lines to the houses or they piggy back on the AT&T (there by increasing the cost)? To be a real competitor for DSL they would need to run their own lines to the homes and have zero dependency to AT&T. VERY few places have fiber - I believe the largest build of fiber for residential is Verizon and they are being very specific on where they built out.

We have available to me - AT&T + various ISPs running across AT&T lines (expensive - I spend $60+ on 1.5 down 384 up DSL that I can share and run a server on), Cincy Bell - limited to 3 meg limit down, and Time Warner. I use DSL because I can't stand Time Warner. Time Warner truly only has U-Verse as a 'competitor' for speeds almost as fast as TW. And I can't get U-Verse when it is available 500 ft away.

This 'competition' does not lower prices for the consumer but it competition only in name as TW really has no competitor. In many cases - broadband is a duopoly at best and that has few advantages for consumers in a supposedly 'free market'.

The biggest issue are the cost to running your own lines unless you force sharing of lines by law. Of course - also destroying true competition is laws to prevent community build outs and allowing communities to prevent other companies from coming in (the big companies - AT&T, Verizon, TW etc... are very good at lobbying for these laws) and getting them passed.
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain

reply to NormanS
I was referring to the copper customers as fancy DSL. Your belief about shafting us FTTP customers is exactly what I mean. It's ridiculous to have a full fiber connection and only able to get 18/1.5. I had to upload a 9.3 GB file the other day, and it took 20 hours. Ridiculous!
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Ali
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reply to CylonRed

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       Data $19.97 Voice $19.98
 

PSTN carrier.