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Re: What are the substantive reasons to upgrade to Windows 8?

reply to NOYB
I can't think of any substantive reasons to "upgrade" to Windows 8 at all. When you buy a new machine, it's what you get now. That's about it. Given a choice, I'd never use it if I didn't have to. Sorry to be negative in your positive thread, but it is what it is...

reply to NOYB
Familiarity is a reason I guess,......

You'll hear some people say that they upgrade a system to run Windows 8 so that they can help troubleshoot issues with their client's systems. So becoming proficient with it enough in order to help others with it could be a reason.

Anyway, I've seen posts like that before,....

I'll also add that the very short time it took me to acclimate myself to Windows 8 was helpful in a problem I had with my old HD EX490 Windows Home Sever. Basically it malfunctioned and wouldn't power on. I suspected the PSU so I ordered a replacement but it would be a few days before I would receive it and even then I would have to modify the PSU to HP proprietary pin-out (eventually I got it working again, no problem).

So I started on a new server which I had intended to do anyway but now needed to step up my timetable. I chose Windows Server 2012 Essentials for the OS on the new server and was able to hit the ground running because I was familiar / acclimated with the Windows 8 new UI.

Had I no exposure / proficiency with the new UI it would have been a major stumbling block but instead I was able to accomplish my task with ease,....fish meet water,....

One could argue that I could have chosen a different server OS or that Microsoft's design choices were poorly thought out but none of that changes the given situation.

reply to NOYB
Win 8 Fast Startup will cause problems due to it uses hibernation, want to enter your bios, or something else associated with your bios? Lets say you're unlucky, and it goes into a error loop on startup where it's constantly restarting as in people have left that option enabled, and now you're really up a creek when it can't even load it's own repair as it won't cancel restoring from hibernation too.

Win 8 packages are not sold with media, and to even access the restore partition you have to be able to boot from a disk they make you create, if you ever created it, otherwise access the bios which might allow you to trigger this option. Part of the solution has been to disable secure boot, and/or disconnecting the hdd for one boot to stop the hibernate cycle, then reconnect the drive so you can run the restore.

Not so pretty now eh?

It's been said more than once they haven't allowed enough time for people to interrupt the boot sequence to enter safe mode when needed also.

How did I get a Win 8 beta system to go into a hibernate reboot hell? I accessed it's hdd from another os, another currently supported Windows os, and their new version of ntfs lost all permissions to the files where all previous versions of Windows on ntfs would work with the others. Clearly they didn't do much testing in house dual booting with their other operating systems, and how they interacted with with the old ntfs operating systems as both wanted to constantly repair the ntfs file system.

To prevent this in the power savings after you enable more of the settings to appear you can disable fast startup, and I should note when you reboot win 8 it obviously doesn't use hibernation so you'll notice reboot startups are slower, however by default usually are paired with installing updates.
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reply to NOYB
This thread has already been hijacked by those who only want to state substantive reasons to reject to upgrade to Windows 8. As they didn't have enough threads already to do so.

It's pathetic... I hate Windows 8, but at least I'm able to be objective enough to see the positive sides.

But all this stupid "there are no reasons for windows 8" posts show how less many know about operating systems in general and windows operating systems in particular.

And NO! It's not obvious and clear that we will all use Windows 8 sooner or later because it's Microsoft's new standard. Many dodged Vista for good. Maybe many will dodge 8 as well.

Sadly I don't have new reasons for Windows 8. I already shot all my bullets.

reply to BlitzenZeus

Disagree. Have been in BIOS many times. Shutdowns, sleeps, hibernate, restarts and never been a problem.

And by the way, the fast boot is not due to hibernation.

reply to Oedipus
The nerve is with people being disingenuous.

By the way if you really don't think there is any substantive reasons to upgrade to Windows 8. There is another thread for you. Please keep this thread on topic of the stated subject.

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reply to sigh

Please back up your claims.

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reply to NOYB
Yes it is, google it. Fast startup is hibernation, it triggered the special hibernation screen of the bios on that system.

I even have Win 8 rtm that was given to me in trade as they really didn't want to run Win 8 after "upgrading" their first machine, and companies really don't like to accept returned software like operating systems. It lives on a hdd on an old machine not as the default os, and only when I direct the bios to boot to that drive. Hibernate actually blocks the use of bios options by bypassing the bios post screen on startup on that system.

If you remove the hibernate file(hiberfil.sys) fast startup doesn't work...
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I interpreted your hibernation reference as the "traditional" "full" hibernation like previous Windows versions. My bad.

Though the issue to me anyway seems a bit chicken-little-ish.

But thanks just the same for the substantive addition to the dialog.

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Just pointing out that by saving a few seconds on fast startup is not always worth the hassle, it starts up decently enough on recent hardware even with the option disabled. I'm sure you noticed the lack of the hibernate option on the shutdown menu also, basically what they called 'shutdown' with fast startup enabled was hibernate, and it was redundant to have both options. To me it's tricking the user into thinking the os is performing better than it is by continuing to call it 'shutdown', and yes can possibly block the user from accessing critical bios options when needed.

So this faster boot with fast startup is not the godsend some people claim it is.
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The hibernate option not being on the shutdown menu (settings - power) is because I have never enabled it (control panel - hardware and sound - power options - system settings).

Never been a fan of hibernate with my Windows 7 notebook. Use it very rarely. Like sleep much better (much faster). Only use hibernate if need to save user state with power off. Otherwise it actually boots faster than resuming from hibernate.

No trickery.

I like the fast boot. Is working awesomely for me.

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reply to sigh
I don't believe it's possible to disable secure boot from software; that was contrary to the UEFI secure boot specification last time I read it.

Windows cannot provide something the firmware does not support, and conformant firmware is prohibited from supporting it.

If there's been a change in spec, please post it.